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Post by Carol on Jun 26, 2015 13:20:42 GMT 1
".... public service had been allowed to become overblown, young generations still today just expect their parents’ contacts to get them a cushy public service job and they can just look forward to early retirement.
“It’s more a mentality problem,” he said. “You have had 40 or 50 years of corruption and bad government and people think it’s going to change overnight, well it’s not.
“It’s going to take generations, and education is the problem when you’ve had like three or four generations aspiring to be part of the public sector, young people showing no initiative because they know the local MP or something, they are putting whole families into government jobs.
“In an active force of probably six million you have got anywhere between one and a half and two million public servants"
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Post by Carol on Jun 26, 2015 13:21:17 GMT 1
Not really asking anyone to guess.. its Greece.
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Post by crojoe on Jun 26, 2015 17:00:08 GMT 1
Not really asking anyone to guess.. its Greece. Well, that's what the EU gets really for inviting such a country to be in the EU. But, they ain't the last .... both Romania, Bulgaria and even Croatia are in a similar situation financial wise, not to mention the huge public sector all these countries have. The sad thing for Croatia is they don't have much to call "export" other then people. Germany just lifted work restrictions on Croats so they estimate 100.000 will be heading that way shortly. |
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Post by indianalindsay on Jun 27, 2015 9:33:15 GMT 1
Not really asking anyone to guess.. its Greece. Well, that's what the EU gets really for inviting such a country to be in the EU. But, they ain't the last .... both Romania, Bulgaria and even Croatia are in a similar situation financial wise, not to mention the huge public sector all these countries have. The sad thing for Croatia is they don't have much to call "export" other then people. Germany just lifted work restrictions on Croats so they estimate 100.000 will be heading that way shortly. I just wish that the government would invest more in tourism. The advertising in the UK for Croatia is pitiful. There must have been a great opportunity to get those who shunned Greece to go to Croatia instead. The 100,000 who go to Germany will only help Croatia a little. The ones that go are usually the smart ones |
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Post by Carol on Jun 27, 2015 22:34:30 GMT 1
You are being very sensitive to only mention Greece. There's the re-bookers from Tunisia who need a 2 week home this summer too.
Greece could well be out of the euro in a couple of weeks, with the drachma reinstated and a devaluation under way (making it a cheap holiday destination for summer 2015)
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Post by kesterj on Jun 28, 2015 8:46:35 GMT 1
.............. The 100,000 who go to Germany will only help Croatia a little. The ones that go are usually the smart ones I would argue that it doesn't help Croatia at all - emigration for most in this case is just a safety valve that helps prop up a sclerotic, failed system. Yes, some capital comes into the country, a new house or two might get built from the wages sent back to Croatia, etc, but that does not help solve the structural problems. that will only happen if those who leave Croatia learn how a proper economy, based on the efficient delivery of goods and services, works, and that such an economy needs an efficient system of administration (and not a bureaucracy for the corrupt benefit of the officials manning it). If they learn that and then they return to Croatia and change things - that will genuinely benefit Croatia. kesterj |
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Post by kesterj on Jun 28, 2015 8:52:07 GMT 1
" .... public service had been allowed to become overblown, young generations still today just expect their parents’ contacts to get them a cushy public service job and they can just look forward to early retirement.
“It’s more a mentality problem,” he said. “You have had 40 or 50 years of corruption and bad government and people think it’s going to change overnight, well it’s not.
..........I have a Lancastrian friend married to a Greek from one of the major islands. She told me that at her school the teachers intentionally wasted the day so that they could then teach the kids in private lessons at night to earn better dosh. I don't know how widespread this is, but the mere fact that it is happening at all is pretty disgusting - I mean, if a profession as fundamental as teaching sinks that low. What an incredible waste of time and lives. kesterj |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 3:54:08 GMT 1
"Germany just lifted work restrictions on Croats so they estimate 100.000 will be heading that way shortly."
I cannot tell you how many times I heard........"when we enter th EU I am going to Germany to work"
But I agree with above, rent in Germany is outrageous in the cities so in the end do you have more at the end of the month, Im not so sure
Yes the bright educated ones will leave
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Post by crojoe on Aug 21, 2015 10:27:58 GMT 1
"Germany just lifted work restrictions on Croats so they estimate 100.000 will be heading that way shortly." I cannot tell you how many times I heard........"when we enter th EU I am going to Germany to work" But I agree with above, rent in Germany is outrageous in the cities so in the end do you have more at the end of the month, Im not so sure Yes the bright educated ones will leave The UK government said only 19000 financial migrants from the new EU countries would flock to the UK, now it's numbered around 6 million (mainly Polish). Anyone working as self-employed is not registered. Croats have a history of working in Germany, so over time 100,000 moving there is not an unfair estimate. I recall UK MP Vas standing at Luton Airport with a bunch of other MP's on Jan 1st welcoming Bulgarian and Romanian people to the UK (just after work restrictions where lifted), and only one guy was arriving to the UK for the first time looking for work.... the rest where returning from C'mas holidays. The problem with predictions is they are often under estimated and don't follow some specific plan. It took some months before the Polish started flooding in (like the brave ones went first then news got out and the rest followed). Also, most entered the UK by bus. I have read that "recruitment agencies" are starting to setup shop in Croatia, so time will tell how many will leave. |
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Post by banjanti on Aug 21, 2015 19:40:34 GMT 1
Polish migration to UK and Ireland had waves
First one was the desperate folks arriving by bus, no language, 300 quid in the pocket, willing to work like a slaves
Second wave was educated people like me who made their research, sold their properties and found decent employment
Then some people went back and forward, some set sails for other lands, like I did
Those returning found Poland to be more expensive than UK with less chances, so they quickly moved back
I don't see how Croatia could be any different
Btw if whole Poland or Croatia decides to leave and live in London that's our right, single market was created like this and UK sign for it
I don't see 6 million to be insubstantial as internal EU migration, job market regulates it, if those 6 million decided to stay it means economy can swallow it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 0:39:49 GMT 1
Well if everyone leaves and no young people left willing to work for 3000 kuna maybe houses will become as cheap as in Bulgaria and Romania and Hungary........lol........start saving your money maybe soon you can buy a stone house In Croatia for 7000 euros like southern Bulgarian mountains
I just looked at a small vineyard and house just over the Hungarian Border close to Varazdin for 3,500 Quid with a view of the river at the border and 700 gorgeous producing vines, on Hvar that's 100,000 euros.....no company needed to buy house in Hungary and I wont have to worry about it being seized
I have never been for them joining the EU....I passed out no EU bumper stckers at my shop in Split, I remember a govt guy coming to check me out and looked at the stack somewhat perplexed as to what I was doing with them on the shelf next to the door.......... ascension laws are what killed me there and in the end with small shops closing and everyone becoming an employee of a corporation that used to have some independence in their lives with a business of their own I am not so sure their children leaving is such a good thing and I doubt their parents will think so when their kids are gone one of the things I most liked about Croatia was family was important.....
Time will tell..... but from what I see and am told the rich are getting richer and the poor getting poorer......sounds like America
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