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Post by croam on Sept 17, 2005 7:31:16 GMT 1
i guess you cannot be objective. if you carefully reread my last three posts you will see that i am not defending bush...i think everyone is to blame. pay particular attention to the last post where i agreed with David's assesment of george's background.
I just am sick of everyone freaking out everytime something happens in the US. We're not going anywhere. quit panicking. obviously we can lose a city every five years and barely blink an eye. I'm sure our economy would hold up even if we had one 911 a year. Unless they go bio or nuclear and take out Cali. I think the last five years has shown how resilient America is. America isn't a bad country. We have bad politicians who don't represent the people. Even with all of its mistakes, America is the most incredible country in the world, representing all of the peoples and cultures of the world. what place has that kind of diversity? Come here for more than a three week vacation and then get back to me. Some of you guys have a serious bitching problem.
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Post by Davidzg1 on Sept 17, 2005 12:36:05 GMT 1
i guess you cannot be objective. if you carefully reread my last three posts you will see that i am not defending bush...i think everyone is to blame. pay particular attention to the last post where i agreed with David's assesment of george's background. I just am sick of everyone freaking out everytime something happens in the US. We're not going anywhere. quit panicking. obviously we can lose a city every five years and barely blink an eye. I'm sure our economy would hold up even if we had one 911 a year. Unless they go bio or nuclear and take out Cali. I think the last five years has shown how resilient America is. America isn't a bad country. We have bad politicians who don't represent the people. Even with all of its mistakes, America is the most incredible country in the world, representing all of the peoples and cultures of the world. what place has that kind of diversity? Come here for more than a three week vacation and then get back to me. Some of you guys have a serious pregnant doging problem. Croam, America is just one more country, it's a big country therefore it is has a lot of money, you're arrogance regarding America is exactly why Americans are treated with such distain around the world. I could easily name 10 countries were the standard of living is much higher than the USA, in these countries black people are not victimised the way they are in the states, black people have equal opportunities. As I said I work in conjunction with the Army, a lot of these guys are national guard, a huge % are black because, they are poor and need the money. I know this is not the case for many black people but America is still institutionally racist, I myself lived on Long Island in the early 80’s as a young boy, in a very leafy and desirable neighbourhood. One fine day a black guy moved 3 doors away, this guy was a senior manager at Microsoft, beautiful wife, lovely children, you know the type. My English parents greeted our new neighbour to the area and still remain friends with the family to this day. Our neighbours were generally outraged that the area had a black family, this would lower house prices blah blah blah. When the day comes that the good old US of A truly offers the American dream to everybody be it, a Chinaman, a Greek, A black man or an Irishman, is the day I will recognise its world superiority that many Americans are convinced of. For the record, not blinking an eye if you lose a city every five years is not taking into account the human loss, also if you had one 9-11 a year, your economy would collapse, let’s be serious. I’m not trying to sound anti-American, I am far from it, I quite like the place, but I hate right wing arrogant fools like your leader and his sheep. For the record you reply to me changed my opinion, but your reply to mambo was really arrogant again.
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Post by croam on Sept 17, 2005 16:32:49 GMT 1
Look, I know i may come off sounding ass an "arrogant american" but I'm not. I was angry alot just like you untill recently...then decided it was consuming me. i have no control over the right or the left in my country. personally, i think the problem is the two party system, they are both corrupt as hell. I just think alot and have started to think about the good things in America, seeing that nobody here or overseas ever seems to find any good anymore and I've really begun to notice alot. I'm sorry if i came off as a jerk....but you know, Its pretty cool to be down on the US as of late, and its getting really really old....almost like a broken record....and i do believe there are alot of good things here. That being said, I think we could, and should, be ALOT better. I agree with what your saying about some things. Its deplorable about your story about the black family, and sadly a very common story here. Mambo: sorry if i was offensive...didn't mean to be. just frustrated sometimes ...as we all are. on a sidenote: Watch the movie CRASH. its out on DVD iin the US....probably get best movie of the year but it examines the racial tension...and general anxiety tension in America with a Los Angelas setting. excellent film. I'll send reimburse you for your dvd rental if you don't like it. peace P.S. wow...even PM Tony Blair sees what I'm seeing.... news.ft.com/cms/s/933f0642-270a-11da-b6fe-00000e2511c8.html
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Post by noddy on Sept 17, 2005 17:44:54 GMT 1
croam, i quite like your attitude. and i understand what you mean when you say you used to be angry about things, but then decided to stop. and seeing the good side of life definitely pays off david, maybe it comes with age (and still, we all get angry/frustrated at times)
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Post by croam on Sept 17, 2005 17:59:49 GMT 1
noddy...well i was really really pissed off for a long time... from 2000 to the last election and then i gave up. thats a long time. five years. and i was angry before then as well...what did it accomplish? it takes alot of energy to stay pissed. i still get mad...but at least i can watch the presidential address finally and laugh...like the other night...while my friends yell at the the TV.
It does come with age. I'm trying to not let things i have no control over get to me although they still do. Plus its always good to see the bright side of things and there are alot of good things about America, even though we could be and should be soooo much better with all the money and power we have. Regardless...America is incredible for many reasons...which i won't go into because i'm getting ready to go to the beach and then i have to work on my screenplay but i will back up my claims if anyone disagrees. cheers
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Post by davidzg on Sept 17, 2005 18:48:06 GMT 1
croam, i quite like your attitude. and i understand what you mean when you say you used to be angry about things, but then decided to stop. and seeing the good side of life definitely pays off david, maybe it comes with age (and still, we all get angry/frustrated at times) You're not that old, 50 right? I am not angry, I have a great life, I couldn’t be more chilled out. He made several arrogant remarks and I picked him up on it, he probably didn't mean it to come across as it did, and was just being defensive because he felt USA was under attack. I just put the pic up because it was funny not because I hate the USA.
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Post by gmh on Sept 17, 2005 22:07:51 GMT 1
So Croam, we're expected to believe what Rupert Murdoch says Tony Blair told him about his rival broadcasting network? Not exactly convincing ! You don't think good old rupert would have some other agenda do you? and Blair come to mention it? I've freinds in the US who've been following this quite closely, one in particular martin ewen manages to find some very interesting articles. There's 3 pages of discussion and articles here www.performers.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3850&perpage=20&pagenumber=3if you'd care to look at it. Best not to take the word of multi billionaire media moguls I think.
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Post by croam on Sept 17, 2005 22:14:37 GMT 1
i'll take a look at it gav.
here's the full link. even bill clinton criticized the coverage...read the article and i'll read yours.: http ://politics.guardian.co.uk/media/story/0,12123,1572747,00.html copy and paste and take the space after the p in http
and i just added that as a side note...just because they are using it for their own agenda doesn't mean that it isn't true. sure its a redherring that benefits their own company and interests but the red herring happens to be something that is true and happening. its very popular to hate america the last few years and our president. funny how hating what america stands for, is, and its people, is misguided anger from their hatred of our president and his policies...but oh well. i hated serbs for awhile because of Milosevic and how he manipulated his people...and for the people who let themselves be manipulated. some similiarities although i am by no means drawing any deeper parallels or conclusions with the analogy.
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Post by noddy on Sept 18, 2005 9:35:52 GMT 1
You're not that old, 50 right? oh, young david (it's 14, right?), you're being too kind ;D cheers
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Post by gavul on Sept 18, 2005 17:07:55 GMT 1
I read the article croam, and basically it goes on to say that the singular '2nd hand' quote made by murdoch holds very little weight considering that over all the bbc have been widely praised for their coverage of the events. Showing it how it was and not how politicians wanted people to see it. The bbc have recieved no complaints from the government. Just Murdoch spinning for his mates I recon.
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Post by American Woman on Sept 18, 2005 18:10:38 GMT 1
Croam-there is a fine line between being arrogant and nationalistic. I have met many Croatians who are so nationalitic that they fail to see how the poor in their own country are struggling to survive.
You are right on when you say that being angry takes too much work and gets you no where. But my point is that here in the 'good old USA'- you have the freedom to openly discuss anything you want to. That is more valuable that and $ amount that may make up what others feel is a 'good standard of living'.
Racial harmony and equality is hard to achieve. In such a large country as ours it is an ongoing battle and there is no quick fix. We just need to keep working at it.
Hurricane Katrina and 911 are evidence that we will survive and maybe even be stronger. Not only do the politicians have to be strong we Americans have to be strong in our convictions too.
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Post by MidgeZg on Sept 18, 2005 19:34:49 GMT 1
G. Bush and the likes are big time trouble. I mean America has always been minding other's nations businesses, but this is really over the top.
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Post by New Orleans on Sept 18, 2005 19:35:52 GMT 1
Croam, why do you back down from these people everything you have been saying makes sense. Why apologize for something that you said that is true just because they don't like the way it sounds.
To me you sound like the new person that they all want to jump on because there is no ghost anymore.
The others sound one-sided. They talk about racial discrimation in America, sometimes there is discrimination. You also don't have to be black to be discriminated against. You can be handicapped, fat, unattractive and so on. This also goes on in ENGLAND. To act like England/Britian is any better than America in this area is an incredible joke. There are whites in England that refuse to shop in stores owned by Indians/Pakistani's or anyone of color. There are English Indians/Pakistani's that refuse to shop in White owned stores and will only shop in their own people's stores. There is discrimination everywhere. What happened with Katrina is not a black thing but a POOR thing. Nothing to do with blacks and everything to do with being poor. This state knew since the 60's that they needed to build the levee's higher and have something in place for evacuations but year after year they put monies to other things rather than the future. This is not the only state or country to do things like this. Many countries do the same thing, they know their city will flood but instead of working on changing that they put money into other things that need attention today and forget about the future and possible death and destruction.
I am now also completely confused on the emiz situtation. David a week ago said he worked with the US military and now this david is saying he does not. Why does Anna let this person post under the same name if it is a different person? I am assuming that you can not post under the same name if you have a different IP so how are all these different people posting under Emiz and David? They also all sound quite alike when they comment on anything the only thing that seems to change is their job titles, age, language skills and marriage status.
Back to Katrina, anyone thinking that it was a black conspiracy is an idiot. It was incompetancy and a poor thing. I think most these people making decisions on building up the levee's were thinking, oh we will get to it another day, no hurry. I will also tell you this. New Orleans Martigra brings in as much money per year as 3 super bowls. What the hell did they do with all that money?
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Post by gavul on Sept 18, 2005 20:00:05 GMT 1
new orleans, you seem to know a lot about the others on this forum for someone who's just posted.If only there was a way to stop guests from posting under different names. You sound kind of familiar too.David does work with the US military, but he doesn't work for them. Can you see the difference there? As for black/poor, unfortunately the 2 go hand in hand in the US and elsewhere for that matter. Most of the poor people in the US are black.Just last year Bush voted against funding to improve those levees. He's already had meetings with the rich white folk in town to discuss the carve up of profits for the redevelopment. You can guarantee that his buddies will have a lot of work coming there way soon, as was the case in Afghanistan, Iraq, and countless other places no doubt. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.
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Post by croam on Sept 18, 2005 20:05:04 GMT 1
Wow! I completely agree with you American Woman and New Orleans!!
AW: I think this shows America isn't just a tall house of playing cards waiting to fall.
NewOrleans: your soooo right about England and your entire point of what discrimination really is. I mean, whites in America shop where they have the best deal and the best products. Even while radical islamists are waging war against us we shop in their stores and marvel at the irony. In Cleveland, Ohio, EVERY convenience store is run by arabs...at least half of which are sleeper jihadists sending hundreds of thousands of dollars back to Iraq,Iran,Afgan,Pakistan, fill in the blank to wage war against us. They are super cool to me in the store when i buy my smokes and I'm very friendly with them. Its irony at its finest I believe. So why don't you guys simmer on that one for a moment or two and then talk about how "progressive" and "tolerant" Europeans are. Or my favorite"how multicultural" you think you are. Hahahaha. what a bunch of baloney...thats why your individual countries are so ethnically "pure". America represents The Globe.
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