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Post by crojoe on Feb 29, 2012 16:30:41 GMT 1
Could it all not be just a case of " Lies , d**n Lies and Statistics " ? ( can't imagine many people surviving on those kind of incomes , with Croatian price-levels...) They do. Got to remember that most people own their homes, so other then what they might owe the bank, other expences aren't that much. Then, you got both parents working etc. Just met my accountant and she told me that company bankrupcy is way up and this is what she now spends much of her time involved in. ABout the fuel and car tax break. From March, you will only be able to claim back fuel cost or tax on vans, taxies and trucks. No more cars (what we all know is actually private car use).
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Post by justapixel on Feb 29, 2012 16:50:30 GMT 1
People get by in various ways. Many get extra income under the table to avoid taxes, and in most families both parents work. They also get financial help from their parents. Most people live either in their own homes (fully paid off a long time ago), or in their parents' home.
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Post by upthevilla on Feb 29, 2012 21:23:40 GMT 1
No more cars (what we all know is actually private car use). Its not all for private use For property management we cover about 25,000 miles per year and for real estate we cover about 10-15,000. All of which is totally legit business use, thats 35 - 40,000 miles of petrol that we now cannot claim the pdv for.
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Post by ray51 on Mar 1, 2012 9:04:33 GMT 1
People get by in various ways. Many get extra income under the table to avoid taxes, and in most families both parents work. They also get financial help from their parents. Most people live either in their own homes (fully paid off a long time ago), or in their parents' home. Now that you both mention living rent-free and/or mortgage-free in their own homes "long paid off " : instantly I remeber any number of Agramers who benefitted handsomely from the inflation and devaluation of YU-dinar in the 80's and various incredible arrangements , in the 90' , when they "bought" any number of apartments from their employer-firms , at ludicrously low , give-away DM "prices" . I much doubt that such phenomena would ever be repeatable nowadays . Sadly , both my parents are now dead ; but , even if they were still alive , I don't think it would be such a great idea for them to help me , out of their meagre Koncar pensions ? Back to living rent-free/mortgage-free , Zagreb-style : even having taken this into the equation and even though I reside in countries thought ( rightly or wrongly ? ) to have considerably higher daily Cost of Living than HRvatska , once I very briefly consider and start adding up my regular monthly outgoings like : assorted utilities , groceries , insurances and car costs , property/council Tax and other additional blood-sucking taxes , selected services , transport & parking/s , entertainment/culture/sporadic educational effort , a bit of soing , dry-cleaning , wear'n'tear/replacements or depreciation , postages etc....somehow a 1.000 Euros or even Sterling doesn't seem to go very far at all ! All this before even starting to discuss "luxuries" like holidays , foreign travel , nicer apparel etc... Which brings me to my next question : where , IF anywhere around this expensive , over-taxed , wasteful and cruel EU , do we think one can manage better on that kind of ( after-rent/mortgage ) monies nowadays ?
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Post by crojoe on Mar 1, 2012 9:59:41 GMT 1
No more cars (what we all know is actually private car use). Its not all for private use For property management we cover about 25,000 miles per year and for real estate we cover about 10-15,000. All of which is totally legit business use, thats 35 - 40,000 miles of petrol that we now cannot claim the pdv for. You can claim it as a company expence, but not claim back the PDV on the amount. Time to get like a kangoo or something that is a van and passenger vehicle all in one. It's like in the UK people get a van, toss in a few items required to make it a camper, then go use it for work and more (to get lower insurance).
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Post by Madgolfer on Mar 1, 2012 13:22:37 GMT 1
I'm with UTV on this one, it is still a legitimate business expense at the end of the day. We cover a huge mileage every year in the real estate business all of which is genuine, now with Vat at 25% its a direct increase in costs we will now have to find. Being able to offset fuel expenses against profit (profit is a very loose terms in the current climate) is small consolation. We cannot pass it onto clients as we don't charge for fuel anyway. Servicing costs, insurance, taxes, motorway charges...... ??
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Post by crojoe on Mar 1, 2012 14:38:14 GMT 1
I just factor it into my costs.I just tell my out of town clients this is the price of fuel, toll and other similar stuff (and I will even include it in the invoice, but am fair about it, not trying to rip them off with secret profit margins on transport). So far no one has made any issue of it (and this is travel to the 4 corners of Croatia, the forth I have never been as far as ... Dubrovnic).
Anyway, now before I even think about any profit margins or personal income I have to factor in a charge of 45% tax (25% pdv and 20% personal income tax), this is not even including product cost, my time, staff etc. It's no wonder anyone can run a business in todays climate.
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Post by katica on Aug 17, 2012 11:29:52 GMT 1
I also can't imagine, but my neighbour just got fired, has two kids, wife is not working (can not get job). How do they survive? They have a bit of garden and that's it.
Now is very hard to live in Croatia. Average income over 5000kn, yes in some parts of Country and on some levels.
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Post by redtank on Aug 31, 2012 14:53:33 GMT 1
It would help to know what your skill set is. Are you collage educated, accountant, engineer, doctor etc? If so there are possibilities anywhere. What sort of business does your family want to start?
I know that 6000 kuna is a managers salary at a clothing store. So if you are slow manager, expect a hole lot less.
You say you have never been here but that you love Croatia very much. Should you not visit first and see?
I moved here 4 years ago from the UK. Its not at all good here. Most people I know are in dept and owed money. I have many friends that are owed several months wages, or have clients that haven't payed in over a year. But Croatian's are resilient and many still remember how to live with very little.
I am told by locals not even international companies are willing to commit here, paying rent instead of buying commercial space.
Croatian families with properties on the coast live off summer rentals for the entire year. Others survive on pensions or employment checks. There is also large number of freelancers work exclusively for foreign clients that pay.
In my town people are living off the land, and bartering for goods and services. My designer friend did some marketing material for a new supermarket, and was given store credit as payment.
Perhaps Zagreb and coastal cities are doing better but from what the wife tells me, (she travels all over the country for work) not much.
Let me give you two tips from my experience. Find a Croatian to help you with the bureaucracy and language, and be prepared to hand over lots of cash and nice gifts.
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Post by traderabhi on May 5, 2013 14:03:51 GMT 1
Hi.How are you doing?I hail from India. But right now residing in Doha Qatar. I would be glad to work in Croatia. I do know the language fluently . Is it possible to get a work there. Have got any idea about any good recruitment agency. Please do let me know.
mohendisabhi@gmail.com
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Post by crojoe on May 5, 2013 18:55:59 GMT 1
Hi.How are you doing?I hail from India. But right now residing in Doha Qatar. I would be glad to work in Croatia. I do know the language fluently . Is it possible to get a work there. Have got any idea about any good recruitment agency. Please do let me know. mohendisabhi@gmail.com BOK Your Indian, you speak Croatian Fluently & you currently work in Doha. What more do you want? Unless you can open your own company (importing Indian goods or restaurant) or become a TV personality being Asian and speaking fluent Croatian then right now is not the time to fly into Croatia expecting to find work. Unemployment is at an all time high. At present there is like a total of 60 to 80 Indian nationals living and working in Croatia, half of them work at the Indian Embassy. I know some of them, and hearing their stories on getting Visa and working in Croatia you will need thick skin.
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Post by justapixel on May 6, 2013 8:37:36 GMT 1
How can an Indian living in Doha know Croatian fluently? And why on earth would you want to work in Croatia? I know lots of Croatian working in Qatar and Dubai and none of them would bother trying to find a job in Croatia.
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Post by justapixel on May 7, 2013 8:48:57 GMT 1
Hey January, you shouldn't publish other people's private information on public forums. Could you edit your text and hide the guy's name?
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Post by gogi on Jul 21, 2013 15:56:26 GMT 1
Hello there, i am croatian and i concur with what 'justpixel' said. Finding job here is an impossible mission, and you will often find (if you are young) carwashing or bartender for about 3000kn/month 60/h week. Situation here is very bad, i really don't belive it is better than in hungary. You will need croatian language for every job, unless ure some IT expert/programer. Some people have found 'good' jobs where they get 5000kn/month, but they work their asses off, lets say construction worker with experience, but they working hours are illegal and they should be paid more much more. It would all be good and all, but prices of food, energetics and everything else needed for normal living is abnormally high, and living here sucks, thanks to 20y rule of politic party HDZ.... We would all just LOVE to get a job anywhere else, so don't be fooled...
We also have new 'Volunteering' type of 'employment' that should help people get jobs and exp... offcourse what happened and that was their plan all along, is that almost every position anywhere offers only 'Volunteering' for 1600kn/month, especially university degree jobs, while in hard and manual labor fortunatley that volunteering doesn't go through ...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 12:33:40 GMT 1
forget the unemployment stats. they only use stats from currently unemployed registered people. what you really should be considering are employment stats. the last i read was that circa 1.3 million croats are actually employed out of the circa 4 million. so the real number of unemployed people is probably around the 1 million number. when you take children and pensioners out of the stats. it could actually be alot worse. statistics are the most often misused method of public opinion manipulation in existence. not forgetting seasonal employment too and the long term unemployed. and im not sure you or anyone would like to come to work in croatia, even if you coule find a job. the mentality is something you will never be able to comprehend or become accustomed to.
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