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Post by menace on Feb 23, 2013 13:13:04 GMT 1
A few days ago, there was a person on Facebook that was sending messages to people to organize something against the government! He went by the obvious fake name of "Hadd Enuff"...the last time I checked he had over 2000 friends when he started with 20 and the attention he got from facebook resulted in "Dnevno" printing an article about them, his/her account is now blocked for whatever reason, but really had an impact it seems. I managed to chat online to this person and seems like the aim they want is just to get noticed and not actually do anything because they are not croatian, but to encourage Croatian people to fight for their country with more extreme measures than chanting, marching and flag waving. "No rioting, just forceful protesting", as he put it. "Good luck with that" (with a grin), I typed knowing what I know about some croatian attitudes (as most of you do too). Well anyway the thing is...yesterday, there was a small protest march to the main square and I noticed someone had a placard with the same Catchphrase he used written on it "Yu fi tell dem fi stop oonu f***ry ting", ha,ha...I laughed. Is that a sign that people listened to him and his extreme hard-hitting message (if it was only for 2 days)....I hope so...and it will be really interesting to see what would happen. Croatians standing up against the government...that I would love to see, but we all have high hopes but who knows! Anyone else heard of this person...and what do you think about it?
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Post by menace on Feb 23, 2013 14:41:31 GMT 1
here is a link I found about Dnevnik article...enjoy
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Post by crojoe on Feb 23, 2013 14:51:05 GMT 1
A few days ago, there was a person on Facebook that was sending messages to people to organize something against the government! He went by the obvious fake name of "Hadd Enuff"...the last time I checked he had over 2000 friends when he started with 20 and the attention he got from facebook resulted in "Dnevno" printing an article about them, his/her account is now blocked for whatever reason, but really had an impact it seems. I managed to chat online to this person and seems like the aim they want is just to get noticed and not actually do anything because they are not croatian, but to encourage Croatian people to fight for their country with more extreme measures than chanting, marching and flag waving. "No rioting, just forceful protesting", as he put it. "Good luck with that" (with a grin), I typed knowing what I know about some croatian attitudes (as most of you do too). Well anyway the thing is...yesterday, there was a small protest march to the main square and I noticed someone had a placard with the same Catchphrase he used written on it "Yu fi tell dem fi stop oonu f***ry ting", ha,ha...I laughed. Is that a sign that people listened to him and his extreme hard-hitting message (if it was only for 2 days)....I hope so...and it will be really interesting to see what would happen. Croatians standing up against the government...that I would love to see, but we all have high hopes but who knows! Anyone else heard of this person...and what do you think about it? Nop, never heard of the fellow or org., although I do agree I have yet to see a protest that actually got some major change in HR (unless money was involved, take for example joining the EU). I was protesting every year at the Police station (immigration sector) that they should put in a ticket system for us foreigners to get served instead of having to line up for hours like cattle. Low and behold, seems like they just put in such a system some weeks back.
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Post by lizelle on Feb 25, 2013 8:19:20 GMT 1
I heard of him or her, I also read that article in Dnevnik.hr
I ignored the friend request at first and then accepted it after I read the Dnevnik article. Seemed like this person was really "peeved off" that the gov. are sitting back and not controlling those big companies that raise prices each month most probably because they collect high taxes regardless and whoever/whatever Hadd Enuff is, they have a point that most of the Croatian people need to stop being so divided and come together to protest against the gov. I agree, some sort of uprising/revolution is the only way the gov. will listen to the people. Since I came here, My household bills have doubled, petrol goes up regularly, free parking spaces are turned into zones and supermarkets blatantly price fix to name a few things! There were lots of likes and positive comments on the article, but a few that stood out were (if i translated right) "people here like to complain but do not act, so you are trying for nothing", Hmmm
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Post by crojoe on Feb 25, 2013 9:23:21 GMT 1
I heard of him or her, I also read that article in Dnevnik.hr I ignored the friend request at first and then accepted it after I read the Dnevnik article. Seemed like this person was really "peeved off" that the gov. are sitting back and not controlling those big companies that raise prices each month most probably because they collect high taxes regardless and whoever/whatever Hadd Enuff is, they have a point that most of the Croatian people need to stop being so divided and come together to protest against the gov. I agree, some sort of uprising/revolution is the only way the gov. will listen to the people. Since I came here, My household bills have doubled, petrol goes up regularly, free parking spaces are turned into zones and supermarkets blatantly price fix to name a few things! There were lots of likes and positive comments on the article, but a few that stood out were (if i translated right) "people here like to complain but do not act, so you are trying for nothing", Hmmm Yep, noticed the very same thing, money just does not go as far anymore be it in Croatia, the UK or elsewhere and we're still making the same amount. And boy, talk about price fixing, Croatia is well know for the practice amongst the big players. The actual food market is pretty much in the control of a couple of people, (in fact, one company comes to mind as a monopoly), but the others seem to have some secret agreement as they all sell the same items for the same price and we never really sees any "price wars". Even the so called "budget shop" from Germany costs more then the counterpart stores across the border in Slovenia and Europe. There are three things that are still cheap in Croatia... Cup of Coffee, local beer & ice cream (but then I guess they are the essentials of the Croatian diet). Now all I can afford is the cup of coffee as had to give up Croatian beer due to headaches and ice cream is mainly a summer indulgence for me if and when I give into temptation (and the wife's not looking).
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Post by justapixel on Feb 25, 2013 9:27:38 GMT 1
What exactly do you intend to fix by calling an uprising? This country has seen a few revolutions and generally they just make things worse and more complicated.
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Post by menace on Feb 27, 2013 8:02:55 GMT 1
What exactly do you intend to fix by calling an uprising? This country has seen a few revolutions and generally they just make things worse and more complicated. . Uprising....a few Revolutions, really? when were they?
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Post by justapixel on Feb 27, 2013 9:44:38 GMT 1
Uprising....a few Revolutions, really? when were they? 1941, 1990, a failed one in 1971... .
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Post by quest on Feb 27, 2013 15:24:22 GMT 1
Uprising....a few Revolutions, really? when were they? 1941, 1990, a failed one in 1971... . And those two that worked were really self-defense revolutions. Without that element I don't see what a revolution could offer today.
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Post by menace on Feb 27, 2013 20:43:04 GMT 1
oh, ok...but i was more thinking of revolutions in the independent country of croatia!
what would it bring, well it would depend on how its organized, if I smash the sabor window every day, would they eventually take notice and listen? (just a light example)
Since things are bad already and will get worse without any real expression against it...IMHO yep I do think something will get changed...but like I said, depends on organization...but this is just my opinion!
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Post by quest on Feb 27, 2013 23:08:52 GMT 1
I couldn't imagine myself walking in a group with 70% communists, 20% fascists and 10% other clowns. For many reasons the normal ones don't protest in Croatia. I'm guessing they are aware this government is their choice.
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Post by menace on Feb 28, 2013 6:19:32 GMT 1
I couldn't imagine myself walking in a group with 70% communists, 20% fascists and 10% other clowns. For many reasons the normal ones don't protest in Croatia. I'm guessing they are aware this government is their choice. True I suppose...I'm a bit of an activist myself, so I can understand what this person/s is trying to do! But it can only be done if others are willing to support that and like yourself I dont think I could trust the majority of Croats to do it, due to backstabbing, infighting and political beliefs...as u said "they are aware this government is their choice" and are usually willing to endure its choices!
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Post by gmh on Mar 1, 2013 9:36:53 GMT 1
here is a link I found about Dnevnik article...enjoy Where's that link then ? I'd like to read about it without having to sign up for facebook.
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Post by amatesic on Mar 1, 2013 10:29:29 GMT 1
I have an organizational development (psychology) background ... if one reads some Croatian older novels such as Branka by August Ć enoa, Croatians have not changed in cultural behavior in 100s of years. They will organize together only if they have an external enemy ... during the last war it was Serbians. Otherwise they bicker amongst themselves. Also, all is well while we are all equals, I will help you, you me, etc. however if you are doing better than me, woe for you.
My guess is that Croatians will strick out against those that took over companies during and just after the war, let people go, stripped the companies of their assets, basically the majority of people will target those that gained through the privatization process. There is a referendum signing going on now in town squares in bigger cities and one of the items on the agenda is asking the government to go after those that purchased government companies and then stripped them bare, or let go of the workers etc.
I also believe Croatia is already bankrupt, just like Greece, but the government is still trying to sit on the lid ... let us first get into the EU, then lets declare bankruptcy and please EU bail us out.
Hard days ahead ... however all will be forgotten for a few summer months. That never changes.
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Post by justapixel on Mar 1, 2013 11:08:37 GMT 1
Well, it's not nearly as bankrupt as Greece, but situation has been pretty bad for a while and government is sitting on its hands and doing very little to solve problems. What's even worse is that every attempt to reduce expenses is met by fierce opposition by the same people who complain that taxes and expenses are too high. As for organizing against "external enemy", isn't that the point of any social organization, whether it's a political party, popular movement, organized religion or human rights group? .
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