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Post by crojoe on Jan 27, 2014 17:10:40 GMT 1
As a parent I cringe when dis-information comes out on vaccinations. This article was in Croatian papers and now on Croatian Times web site and it is WRONG. It is not mandatory for you as a parent to have your children vaccinated, nor will you automatically get fined 2000 Kuna. That being said, you will be required to sign a disclaimer to say that your require your children to be exempt, and it's your choice! If the truth be known, many of the children's sicknesses they say they have eradicated are alive and well in Croatia. www.croatiantimes.com/news/General_News/2014-01-27/35029/Number_of_parents_refusing_to_vaccinate_their_kids_is_on_the_rise |
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Post by zagzag on Jan 29, 2014 10:45:39 GMT 1
You're right Croejoe, I know of a couple of families who have not vaccinated their children yet and they have never mentioned getting fined.
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Post by crojoe on Jan 29, 2014 13:10:10 GMT 1
You're right Croejoe, I know of a couple of families who have not vaccinated their children yet and they have never mentioned getting fined. Not sure if you all have been following the news of late about some of the biggest Croatian pharmaceutical companies and Croatian doctors being involved in a major bribery scam in selling vaccinations and certain drugs (pushing certain products), which have now been followed up with many arrests etc. But this is a clear example how the interests of the people can be put on the back burner as big companies try to force on us their products (with or without consent). My wife had our first child in Zagreb, but after that experience we then went for the UK on the second and third. The doctors acted like "lords" over you, and only because we where foreigners where we able to question some things (which the older doctor almost had a fit over). That being said things have changed a bit since then, but it still is a very "doctor knows best" mentality and "don't question anything". We did get offered vaccinations for our kids (yearly school checkup thing they do), and at first the doctor was a little set back by our reply of NO, but the person was educated abroad and a bit more open to our wishes. Thankfully we only had to sign a disclaimer or sorts to say we do not agree with vaccinating our children. No fine, nor has any doctor or school administrator ever told us we could be fined. Maybe this is a new law, but doubt it will hold water now Croatia is in the EU. |
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Post by amoi on Jul 27, 2014 3:22:25 GMT 1
CroJoe, So glad I found your post! We decided to emigrate from the UK a while ago, got the house sorted, all planned ... and then this bombshell - mandatory vaccinations ... I was secretly hoping that this was a case of "there is more to it than what you read in the papers" ... I'm from Russia originally and know that in Russia doctors often attempt to scare parents with legal action etc ... But the law is fairly clear - nooone can be forced to be vaccinated and European Convention on Human Rights also guarantees a right to education, so schools cannot refuse entry to unvaccinated children, even though they try ... I think Croatian situation is similar ... ?
What is your experience with schools? My kids are 10 and soon-to-be 16 ... I must admit - I've been re-considering the move after I read that article ...
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Post by crojoe on Jul 27, 2014 8:56:27 GMT 1
CroJoe, So glad I found your post! We decided to emigrate from the UK a while ago, got the house sorted, all planned ... and then this bombshell - mandatory vaccinations ... I was secretly hoping that this was a case of "there is more to it than what you read in the papers" ... I'm from Russia originally and know that in Russia doctors often attempt to scare parents with legal action etc ... But the law is fairly clear - nooone can be forced to be vaccinated and European Convention on Human Rights also guarantees a right to education, so schools cannot refuse entry to unvaccinated children, even though they try ... I think Croatian situation is similar ... ? What is your experience with schools? My kids are 10 and soon-to-be 16 ... I must admit - I've been re-considering the move after I read that article ... All my school aged kids are now in Croatian school and not one of them has been vaccinated. I personally feel it's better to allow the body to build up an immune system on it's own, not pump it full of experimental drugs (just because the doctor said so). As time goes on it seems many of these "vaccinations" are not all they are advertised to be. It's also well know that the manufactures of such vaccinations pay doctors to promote their products. Yes, there is two sides to every story and some may argue it's for the good of the people, the masses or to be a proper parent you should get your kids vaccinated, but I just don't buy it. I've lived in some filthy countries while growing up (try India, Indonesia) and I did not have any vaccinations other then a malaria shot. Sure I got sick, but my body fought it off. That said, Croatia healthcare, doctors, teachers will pressure you to get your kids vaccinated (and probably try and use some scare tactics), but as you rightly state, you too have rights as a parent. Like I said, we had to sign a disclaimer of sorts, stating we don't agree with vaccinations (no idea if that has put us on some black list, undesirables, rebels), but so far so good. Now with Croatia part of the EU you now have even more rights that can be used in times of need, but you will probably have to stand strong and be willing to fight for those rights. So many people just surrender, quite, give in or flow with the masses. One thing about schools, they are not all of equal understanding. We found a school in Zagreb that is quite open to accepting foreign students (all subjects are in Croatian except foreign language classes), but they have Hungarian kids, Romanians, British and a few others. The head-mistress there is very flexible and open. My sons former school head was not very flexible, and teachers varied in their levels of patience & understanding towards him. My daughter had a problem once with a teacher who was quite anti-foreigner, and even said a very negative comment in in front of the class about English people... as though my daughter was at a disadvantage for being British. So you will find this does happen and "some" teachers (most whom I really respect) can also be a bit big headed (know it all types), a bit like Croatian doctors. So one has to have a lot of patience, let some ideas grow on them and not get upset (easier said then done I can say from experience). Once they know you will stick to your guns and not roll over you can win their respect (or you just knock heads with them till the remainder of days). |
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Post by Ribaric on Jul 27, 2014 11:23:58 GMT 1
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Post by amoi on Jul 27, 2014 13:47:54 GMT 1
Ribaric, the dis-information discussed here is not whether vaccines are safe/useful/needed, but rather on the legality of refusing vaccination in Croatia. A pro-anti vaccination debate is a whole different topic ... (incidentally I could debunk all of the myths in the Auzzie leaflet with their very own "scientific" references, but that's beside the point)
CroJoe, thanks for the reassurance! :-) My brother was damaged by vaccines in the 70's and my mum refused to vaccinate me when I was little. Luckily, mu GP was very sympathetic and open-minded and just wrote down that I've had the jabs, without actually giving me any. Then aged 15 I went to the States for 6 mnth and they decided I had to vaccinated ... with everything ... at once ... and since I was traveling on my own, as part of an exchange program, the project leaders acting in the loco parentis capacity signed the consent form for me and I had the shots ... I was so ill!!! It took me two years to get better and 20 years on some of the effect are still an unwelcome presence in my life.
What's the school's name? Is it one of the private international schools? I've yet to do the school search ...
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Post by Ribaric on Jul 27, 2014 14:56:04 GMT 1
Ribaric, the dis-information discussed here is not whether vaccines are safe/useful/needed, but rather on the legality of refusing vaccination in Croatia. and I'm saying I don't want my vaccinated kids (with about 85% immunity against polio etc.,) getting exposed to preventable diseases because you didn't vaccinate your kids. As I understand it, you will need a signed (and probably notarised) statement if you want your kids to not be vaccinated. I don't know about adults. So you have a way out for kids which, as will be obvious to you, that I hope you do not take. My unveiled support for vaccination is no more transparent than your clear opposition. |
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Post by crojoe on Jul 27, 2014 15:11:33 GMT 1
Ribaric, the dis-information discussed here is not whether vaccines are safe/useful/needed, but rather on the legality of refusing vaccination in Croatia. A pro-anti vaccination debate is a whole different topic ... (incidentally I could debunk all of the myths in the Auzzie leaflet with their very own "scientific" references, but that's beside the point) CroJoe, thanks for the reassurance! :-) My brother was damaged by vaccines in the 70's and my mum refused to vaccinate me when I was little. Luckily, mu GP was very sympathetic and open-minded and just wrote down that I've had the jabs, without actually giving me any. Then aged 15 I went to the States for 6 mnth and they decided I had to vaccinated ... with everything ... at once ... and since I was traveling on my own, as part of an exchange program, the project leaders acting in the loco parentis capacity signed the consent form for me and I had the shots ... I was so ill!!! It took me two years to get better and 20 years on some of the effect are still an unwelcome presence in my life. What's the school's name? Is it one of the private international schools? I've yet to do the school search ... No International schools for my kids... could never afford $24K a year on each child. Plan ol Croatian school.. Free, well, not completely free seeing we pay taxes, health insurance etc. But in all things it should be the parents that have the final say, not government. By the way, it's not mandatory to get vaccinated in Aussie either. I know, I grew up their, went through school etc. I recall a few times when the vaccine people came through and my parents declined. Don't know if they still do this is schools, but I can remember doctors coming to the schools and looking us kids all over. But I can say that the Aussie government is as federal as they come and love control. It's almost a police state. I mean, they had programs not that long back to sterilize, separate and discriminate against aboriginals, so I would take any they say with a hand full of salt. |
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Post by trotskyite on Jul 30, 2014 7:48:39 GMT 1
Bring back polio!
...then you can refuse to vaccinate against that as well. Lucky children.
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Post by luna on Mar 10, 2017 20:07:52 GMT 1
I don't want to get into the pro/cons debate of vaccines, but I would like to ask any of you who may have information about the current vaccine requirements in Croatia. My husband has a job offer in Zagreb and we are interested in taking it, but when I found out about the mandatory vaccine rules we have had to reconsider. What is happening with this? Here in CA, my children have a medical exemption due to a hereditary auto-immune issue. The school we would like to send the kids to is the International American School if we are able to negotiate paying for it through the employer. Does anyone have any information on whether or not they would allow our children to attend? What about public schools?
My kids will be 12 and 6 for the next school year.
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Post by crojoe on Mar 11, 2017 1:08:47 GMT 1
I don't want to get into the pro/cons debate of vaccines, but I would like to ask any of you who may have information about the current vaccine requirements in Croatia. My husband has a job offer in Zagreb and we are interested in taking it, but when I found out about the mandatory vaccine rules we have had to reconsider. What is happening with this? Here in CA, my children have a medical exemption due to a hereditary auto-immune issue. The school we would like to send the kids to is the International American School if we are able to negotiate paying for it through the employer. Does anyone have any information on whether or not they would allow our children to attend? What about public schools? My kids will be 12 and 6 for the next school year. You can always just call the American school and ask them. They do speak English! And, it's not such a huge school where you can't have a good chat with the head master. I've been there many times and they are a nice bunch of folks! |
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