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Post by francis on Jul 4, 2014 16:37:18 GMT 1
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mijbil
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Jul 14, 2014 12:04:59 GMT 1
Post by mijbil on Jul 14, 2014 12:04:59 GMT 1
Sadly, not an uncommon experience in Croatia...............I have many such similar stories that are too unbelievable to mention !! Not sure what you intend to do with your "media" letter but you would likely have a more favourable outcome if you send it to the "Ministry of Foreign Affairs" in Zagreb with an appropriate threat that you will be sending a copy to the EU Council and the British media........they won't like it but maybe you will get some action.
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Jul 14, 2014 14:13:01 GMT 1
Post by crojoe on Jul 14, 2014 14:13:01 GMT 1
What are they claiming? Why is this happening? Do they claim the land in front of your property? Did they sell the land to you? Is the land between your wall and their wall communal, county owned or belong to someone? On the property paperwork held by city hall who owns what? Apart from say media, foreign affairs and your embassy, you will need a lawyer and probably have to take the matter all the way to court. In the mean time you can request a stay on their actions. I just don't understand why they would put those blocks there unless they DO own that stretch of land outside your driveway (is that the case?), as if they don't then really you can just move them back onto their property. Or see if you can buy the land in front of their house, open a company and install toll way for them to leave and enter their property. Comedy aside, Is there more to the story?
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mijbil
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Jul 14, 2014 15:44:23 GMT 1
Post by mijbil on Jul 14, 2014 15:44:23 GMT 1
What are they claiming? Why is this happening? Do they claim the land in front of your property? Did they sell the land to you? Is the land between your wall and their wall communal, county owned or belong to someone? On the property paperwork held by city hall who owns what? Apart from say media, foreign affairs and your embassy, you will need a lawyer and probably have to take the matter all the way to court. In the mean time you can request a stay on their actions. I just don't understand why they would put those blocks there unless they DO own that stretch of land outside your driveway (is that the case?), as if they don't then really you can just move them back onto their property. Or see if you can buy the land in front of their house, open a company and install toll way for them to leave and enter their property. Comedy aside, Is there more to the store? Good point Crojoe, although the right of access is formally stated by Opcina and in any event I dont think a property in a building zone would be “legal” if it didnt have proper access ? Going the legal route may be the only option but you and I both know that lawyers in Croatia thrive on “Zalba’s” and the time and associated costs could be enough to make a vicar change religion. I have (or rather my wife has) a property in Biograd na Moru which has been in and out of law courts for the past 25 years because of such stupidity !!
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Jul 14, 2014 17:04:43 GMT 1
Post by crojoe on Jul 14, 2014 17:04:43 GMT 1
What are they claiming? Why is this happening? Do they claim the land in front of your property? Did they sell the land to you? Is the land between your wall and their wall communal, county owned or belong to someone? On the property paperwork held by city hall who owns what? Apart from say media, foreign affairs and your embassy, you will need a lawyer and probably have to take the matter all the way to court. In the mean time you can request a stay on their actions. I just don't understand why they would put those blocks there unless they DO own that stretch of land outside your driveway (is that the case?), as if they don't then really you can just move them back onto their property. Or see if you can buy the land in front of their house, open a company and install toll way for them to leave and enter their property. Comedy aside, Is there more to the store? Good point Crojoe, although the right of access is formally stated by Opcina and in any event I dont think a property in a building zone would be “legal” if it didnt have proper access ? Going the legal route may be the only option but you and I both know that lawyers in Croatia thrive on “Zalba’s” and the time and associated costs could be enough to make a vicar change religion. I have (or rather my wife has) a property in Biograd na Moru which has been in and out of law courts for the past 25 years because of such stupidity !! I thought there was like an amnesty some years back for homes without proper paperwork? What ever happened to it? Got drowned in legal paperwork? The other one was the government was going to assign a special person to any any project (fast track) over 10 million investment and that too went the way of all flesh... certain 10 million projects still buried in paperwork.
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Jul 14, 2014 18:58:15 GMT 1
Post by Ribaric on Jul 14, 2014 18:58:15 GMT 1
Do you know how to check out the ownership of land via the čestica numbers? It's public and available on line.
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Post by swordfish on Jul 15, 2014 7:56:25 GMT 1
Totally agree with Mijbil, life is too hard here without this type of problem. If the opcina paperwork is correct, it is quite obvious that the police daren't do anything due to the authority of your neighbour. Definately EU human rights with a solicitor from outside of Croatia.
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Post by crojoe on Jul 15, 2014 9:05:32 GMT 1
Totally agree with Mijbil, life is too hard here without this type of problem. If the opcina paperwork is correct, it is quite obvious that the police daren't do anything due to the authority of your neighbour. Definately EU human rights with a solicitor from outside of Croatia. Until I hear that the land does "not" belong to the neighbor then I can't have much sympathy for the situation. No "Human Rights" will help, lawyer and so forth unless you have stated on land registry the "right of way" on your side, such as that driveway outside your wall boundary that leads to the road is yours or public property. There are many homes in Croatia build in strange places with no "car access", so the owners leave their cars parked down the road, bottom of the hill and so forth. I don't think there is a right to a "driveway", just access for yourself to your plot of land. I'm no lawyer, but that's what I can imagine is the case.
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Jul 15, 2014 15:40:02 GMT 1
Post by ZAD on Jul 15, 2014 15:40:02 GMT 1
The longer you leave those blocks there, the more your neighbour will think she has won the battle. You have the paperwork to say it's public access. Hire a truck with a crane and get rid of them.
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Jul 15, 2014 23:58:56 GMT 1
Post by crojoe on Jul 15, 2014 23:58:56 GMT 1
The longer you leave those blocks there, the more your neighbour will think she has won the battle. You have the paperwork to say it's public access. Hire a truck with a crane and get rid of them. I bet Mrs.Pelinkovac can hire a truck a lot cheaper to put them back again !! Just find out when they go on holiday or a trip then cart those barriers away. Take them to the Police station. I wouldn't put them anywhere near your property.
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Post by swordfish on Jul 16, 2014 8:02:07 GMT 1
Totally agree with Mijbil, life is too hard here without this type of problem. If the opcina paperwork is correct, it is quite obvious that the police daren't do anything due to the authority of your neighbour. Definately EU human rights with a solicitor from outside of Croatia. Until I hear that the land does "not" belong to the neighbor then I can't have much sympathy for the situation. No "Human Rights" will help, lawyer and so forth unless you have stated on land registry the "right of way" on your side, such as that driveway outside your wall boundary that leads to the road is yours or public property. There are many homes in Croatia build in strange places with no "car access", so the owners leave their cars parked down the road, bottom of the hill and so forth. I don't think there is a right to a "driveway", just access for yourself to your plot of land. I'm no lawyer, but that's what I can imagine is the case.
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Post by swordfish on Jul 16, 2014 8:04:52 GMT 1
Totally agree with Mijbil, life is too hard here without this type of problem. If the opcina paperwork is correct, it is quite obvious that the police daren't do anything due to the authority of your neighbour. Definately EU human rights with a solicitor from outside of Croatia. Until I hear that the land does "not" belong to the neighbor then I can't have much sympathy for the situation. No "Human Rights" will help, lawyer and so forth unless you have stated on land registry the "right of way" on your side, such as that driveway outside your wall boundary that leads to the road is yours or public property. There are many homes in Croatia build in strange places with no "car access", so the owners leave their cars parked down the road, bottom of the hill and so forth. I don't think there is a right to a "driveway", just access for yourself to your plot of land. I'm no lawyer, but that's what I can imagine is the case. Like I said if the paper work is correct, but I wouldn't hide the bollards as this could be classed as theft.
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Post by crojoe on Jul 16, 2014 9:24:48 GMT 1
Until I hear that the land does "not" belong to the neighbor then I can't have much sympathy for the situation. No "Human Rights" will help, lawyer and so forth unless you have stated on land registry the "right of way" on your side, such as that driveway outside your wall boundary that leads to the road is yours or public property. There are many homes in Croatia build in strange places with no "car access", so the owners leave their cars parked down the road, bottom of the hill and so forth. I don't think there is a right to a "driveway", just access for yourself to your plot of land. I'm no lawyer, but that's what I can imagine is the case. Like I said if the paper work is correct, but I wouldn't hide the bollards as this could be classed as theft. That's why I suggest you take them to say the police station as "Lost & Found". Ok, maybe not a good idea. If you really want to be mean I would just move them over to block the mean ol ladies drive way. You have a 4x4 just sitting there. A little bumper action might do it if you don't mind scuff marks? I just wouldn't sit there and let it happen "IF" you have an official paper to say that land between the two houses is council property. Who do the barriers belong too? Hired or bought? And, to get media involved I think you will need to raise a bit more commotion. Get together a protest group. Search out Croatian human right groups that deal with housing issues, find out what party she belongs to and go to the opposition for advise. She probably thinks you just get upset and little action. Going up against any Croatian woman can scare most people, but you need a plan that works within the law. If she's a lady of influence in that town or village then you might need to make a big fuss higher up. Tell us how you get on... it's the most exciting thing going this summer.
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Jul 16, 2014 15:40:39 GMT 1
Post by crojoe on Jul 16, 2014 15:40:39 GMT 1
Like I said if the paper work is correct, but I wouldn't hide the bollards as this could be classed as theft. That's why I suggest you take them to say the police station as "Lost & Found". Ok, maybe not a good idea. If you really want to be mean I would just move them over to block the mean ol ladies drive way. You have a 4x4 just sitting there. A little bumper action might do it if you don't mind scuff marks? I just wouldn't sit there and let it happen "IF" you have an official paper to say that land between the two houses is council property. Who do the barriers belong too? Hired or bought? And, to get media involved I think you will need to raise a bit more commotion. Get together a protest group. Search out Croatian human right groups that deal with housing issues, find out what party she belongs to and go to the opposition for advise. She probably thinks you just get upset and little action. Going up against any Croatian woman can scare most people, but you need a plan that works within the law. If she's a lady of influence in that town or village then you might need to make a big fuss higher up. Tell us how you get on... it's the most exciting thing going this summer. Maybe contact this group ans see what they have to say? www.croatiantimes.com/news/General_News/2014-07-16/35985/Bankrupted_Croat_goes_to_extreme_measures_to_keep_his_apartment
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Jul 16, 2014 16:34:40 GMT 1
Post by ZAD on Jul 16, 2014 16:34:40 GMT 1
With regards to disputes / arguments, a wise Croatian once told me, "You have to show your teeth or they won't respect you." Alternatively, you could always paint the barriers in the Gay Pride colours. They'll soon be removed by one authority or another
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