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Post by Carol on Mar 2, 2017 14:55:59 GMT 1
any thoughts about what will happen? Views on whether the house of lords vote last night helped or hindered your chances of being able to stay?
I was in Croatia pre-EU accession, as were a few other posters here. It was dire when they messed with the visa system. The UK didn't really do anything to inform its nationals about what was going on, and even less to represent our case to the Croatian government.
Will it go back to that again? Or have things changed completely?
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Post by glynnandann on Mar 2, 2017 17:27:20 GMT 1
i hope we have been here too long for it to affect us. They can't throw us out, our whole life is now here
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Post by Carol on Mar 2, 2017 19:12:39 GMT 1
You get EU nationals in the UK telling radio shows, Tv news etc "I've lived here 40 years. I'm married, have children here. My life is here. I don't know if I'll be allowed to stay".
I think what they mean is that they don't know if they will be allowed to stay without applying for citizenship, which isn't cheap - a couple of thousand pounds I think.
Its causing a lot of press coverage in the UK.
The argument is that Theresa May wants to confirm today that the EU nationals can stay but only if the other EU countries will reciprocate. Some have said they will, but others (hints of France and Germany) refuse to commit either way at the moment. Many UK politicians and people want to go ahead and confirm the status of confirm EU nationals in the UK despite this. They think a unilateral declaration will mean the UK has done the right thing by the EU nationals. TBH They don't really spend much time stressing over the fate of British expats in the newspapers, TV etc
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Post by Carol on Mar 3, 2017 12:35:15 GMT 1
The nationals meaning Croats?
How many UK citizens are let in Croatia, as an estimate? I think there were quite a few men who had married Croatian women having met them during the war. I guess they are still there. And those who wanted an alternative life. But the entrepreneurs have come and gone, I'd guess.
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Post by crojoe on Mar 3, 2017 18:42:57 GMT 1
You get EU nationals in the UK telling radio shows, Tv news etc "I've lived here 40 years. I'm married, have children here. My life is here. I don't know if I'll be allowed to stay". I think what they mean is that they don't know if they will be allowed to stay without applying for citizenship, which isn't cheap - a couple of thousand pounds I think. Its causing a lot of press coverage in the UK. The argument is that Theresa May wants to confirm today that the EU nationals can stay but only if the other EU countries will reciprocate. Some have said they will, but others (hints of France and Germany) refuse to commit either way at the moment. Many UK politicians and people want to go ahead and confirm the status of confirm EU nationals in the UK despite this. They think a unilateral declaration will mean the UK has done the right thing by the EU nationals. TBH They don't really spend much time stressing over the fate of British expats in the newspapers, TV etc Sorry to say this but that sounds like fake propaganda if they are saying they have been in the UK for 40 years and don't have residency. They just need to get off the behinds and apply. I did it for my wife (5 year period). It didn't cost thousands. I just needed to prove I could support my wife with the job I had and that she was actually resident. My view is if they have been in the UK for 10+ years, can show they pay taxes and not a burden to the UK, own a property or have a mortgage (and a job), have a good command of English then they can stay. All others who flooded over after Eastern Europe joined the EU should have to prove income, no benefits and have paid taxes for at least 5 years or own their own property or are married to a Brit (for at least 5 years.. to avoid last minute arranged marriages for visa's). Those of us who where in Croatia or any other European country know we had to hop, skip and jump through legal obstacle courses to stay in those countries. It need not be any different. All this political posturing around by the UK gov. and the parliament is a joke! I don't agree we should just give a sweeping OK for all the migrants now here to be able to stay in the UK. The few million brits in EU do need to get their house in order. I think it will be much like it was in Croatia prior to it joining the EU. It will be 3 months in, 3 months out. Those who own property should be able to get a residence permit and those married to locals. All others need to show they too can support themselves. The retire folks are the ones that leave a big question mark, but then many do own their own homes abroad so should be entitled to remain. At the moment any Brit living abroad doesn't get free NHS, so guess most have local health insurance. The biggest problem with the media reporting all this is they and many of the people they interview have no clue how things work in the real world concerning work permits, visa's etc. I never forgot when Brexit happened they where showing teenagers in tears that they would not be able to go on holiday in Europe after Brexit (month long boozers). Shows how uniformed many are. The Uk gov. just needs to get on with it, not spill the beans about negotiations (no company in their right mind would let the other side know their plan). I'm sure the EU will come around a bit in the end, as will the UK.
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Post by crojoe on Mar 3, 2017 18:54:13 GMT 1
The nationals meaning Croats? How many UK citizens are let in Croatia, as an estimate? I think there were quite a few men who had married Croatian women having met them during the war. I guess they are still there. And those who wanted an alternative life. But the entrepreneurs have come and gone, I'd guess. Any that married after the war most likely already have citizenship, as do many others who have been there for a while. My family all have it, but we left Croatia 6 months back as we had enough (we where not on holiday or retired). Like the 4.5 million Croats outside Croatia, I too would hope that one day I can go back to Croatia, but I'm not ready to retire for years, and I would like to see some change for the better in the next 20 years in Croatia (if that is possible) in the realm of making a decent wage & profit. Who knows, after Brexit I may need to apply for Croatian asylum (since 2016 to 2017 they have actually accepted 11 asylum applicants in Croatia). LOL!
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Post by crojoe on Mar 3, 2017 18:56:42 GMT 1
At the rate the nationals are leaving Croatia, I don't think they will worry too much about the few UK people here that want to stay. After Brexit happens they might see millions of Brits requesting asylum! All we need is 5 million Brits and we can take over Croatia.
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Post by prkbrk on Mar 4, 2017 11:53:24 GMT 1
The nationals meaning Croats? How many UK citizens are let in Croatia, as an estimate? I think there were quite a few men who had married Croatian women having met them during the war. I guess they are still there. And those who wanted an alternative life. But the entrepreneurs have come and gone, I'd guess. I really could not hazard a guess how many are here full time, but find myself wondering why it is not more. Living costs are so much less than say Spain, France, Portugal etc.....and certainly less than in UK. Add to that the easy going lifestyle, good weather, low crime rate, the ease of communication, 2 hour flight time, superior healthcare, social life etc etc, and yes I wonder why not more. Ssshhhhh...we don't want a Spain like invasion...well unless it leads to draught Tennents Lager a UN survey about 3 years ago indicated there are a whopping 290 Brits living in Croatia. 201 live in Serbia, 10 in Bosnia and 577 in Slovenia. When you compare that to over 3000 living in Bulgaria and Romania respectively it seems strange.
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Post by fidobsa on Mar 11, 2017 17:29:34 GMT 1
Serbia is not an EU country but Bulgaria and Romania joined in 2007 so there has been more time for people from UK to retire there or whatever. There are probably a lot more than 290 Brits owning property in Croatia but a lot will be holiday homes at the coast. Croatia only joined in 2013 and there does not seem to have been much estate agent marketing to UK clients since then. In Bulgaria there are lots of agents who spee in selling to Brits.
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Post by Ribaric on Mar 13, 2017 10:41:33 GMT 1
Reading this, it seems you've left Crojoe? If so, I guess that'll be because you wanted to make a living here? That's difficult. Sorry to see you go.
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Post by crojoe on Mar 13, 2017 13:27:28 GMT 1
Reading this, it seems you've left Crojoe? If so, I guess that'll be because you wanted to make a living here? That's difficult. Sorry to see you go. Yes, sadly we decide enough was enough! I have got a life to live, bills to pay, kids that are growing into adults and Croatia just could not offer this to us at this time. I tried working overseas while family stayed in Croatia but could see it doing more harm then good. Tired of the race to the bottom so to speak (some add ball Croat mind set that the way to success to to undercut everyone, steal ideas and exaggerate big time and waste time and energy spinning ones wheeels). Within 6 months of being back in the UK I am already in profit. Says a lot! Sure, I like many things to do with Croatia, but running a business there just isn't one of them. Everyone wants everything for free. We also had outstanding payments owed us that we are still chasing from poor Croats that feel they don't need to pay their debts or say they can't at this time (get one to many of those and it affects you bottom line). Back in the UK it is like another world (so much going on), but I'm not at the age where I want a quiet life. In fact, living in Croatia made me a bit lazy. LOL! In the UK an appointment at a certain time means just that and no one takes 2 hours to drink coffee and socialize (they leave weekends for that, not working hours). Even my 16 year old got a weekend job and makes 7000 Kuna and my older son is paying his way through uni. plus his accommodation and running costs with a part time job. They would have to use the Mum and dad bank if I was in Croatia. Oh, and we don't have to get the kids up at 6am to go to school or pick them up at 12pm or 1pm (they stay till 3:15pm, so we can put in a days work). That said, we shall see Croatia again for holidays within the next 5 years, but for now we got other places to see and experience (sadly, I found out that Zagreb is not the center of the world... LOL!)! Live long and prosper all you remainers (not talking about the UK ones), looks like the UK is bound for Brexit (time for Brits to go line up like cattle again at MUP ... lets hope they unlocked the toilet, put in a ticket cue system and moved the fire arms inspection and registration window away from the cue where foreigners line up... so many wasted hows spent in MUP because they where to lazy to upgrade and get with the times).
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Post by Ribaric on Mar 13, 2017 21:41:19 GMT 1
Best of luck Joe. Probably a wise decision.
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Post by Ribaric on Mar 30, 2017 12:37:14 GMT 1
Whilst the politicians sit around tables to decide what Brexit will look like, whilst they they draw their fat salaries and expenses as they do so, my UK customers ask me if they will be able to live in Croatia. Will they need visas? If so, how will they get them? Nobody knows! Nobody will know for at least two years! Hence, it is not surprising they'll sit tight and wait and see. In the meantime, I'll be telling a couple of hard working people here their jobs have gone.
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Post by prkbrk on Mar 30, 2017 14:36:43 GMT 1
Whilst the politicians sit around tables to decide what Brexit will look like, whilst they they draw their fat salaries and expenses as they do so, my UK customers ask me if they will be able to live in Croatia. Will they need visas? If so, how will they get them? Nobody knows! Nobody will know for at least two years! Hence, it is not surprising they'll sit tight and wait and see. In the meantime, I'll be telling a couple of hard working people here their jobs have gone. Blame Cameron..his bunch of loud mouth eurosceptics he had to appease and the 51+% of UK voters easily duped by Gove..Boris and that other idiot...May is gonna make a dogs dinner out of this and it will bite the Tories badly in the arse....sad but if the vote was held tomorrow I think you would see a different result..
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Post by aj on Jul 3, 2017 8:03:34 GMT 1
Whilst the politicians sit around tables to decide what Brexit will look like, whilst they they draw their fat salaries and expenses as they do so, my UK customers ask me if they will be able to live in Croatia. Will they need visas? If so, how will they get them? Nobody knows! Nobody will know for at least two years! Hence, it is not surprising they'll sit tight and wait and see. In the meantime, I'll be telling a couple of hard working people here their jobs have gone. Blame Cameron..his bunch of loud mouth eurosceptics he had to appease and the 51+% of UK voters easily duped by Gove..Boris and that other idiot...May is gonna make a dogs dinner out of this and it will bite the Tories badly in the arse....sad but if the vote was held tomorrow I think you would see a different result.. Couldn't agree more . dr evil (Davy boy Cameron ) told my nation "Scotland please vot no and stay in this union of nations to gaurantee your place in the eu" that worked out wel davy boy didn't it"
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