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Post by Gavin on Apr 9, 2005 17:53:46 GMT 1
OK people time that you read the original post again. The guy is clearly aaking about meeting croatian women in the US and how her family would react. So, I think it is far more relevant that the croatians living in the US answer this question, because they are more aware of the atitudes of Croatian families who live in the US. I'm sure they are different from Croatian families here in Croatia.
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Post by croam on Apr 9, 2005 18:41:19 GMT 1
YOUR WORDS RACISM: "Since there is not alot of diversity in race in Croatia."
which isnt the same as racism...just lack of diversity
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Post by FranchiseCroatia on Apr 9, 2005 20:32:49 GMT 1
OK people time that you read the original post again. The guy is clearly aaking about meeting croatian women in the US and how her family would react. So, I think it is far more relevant that the croatians living in the US answer this question, because they are more aware of the atitudes of Croatian families who live in the US. I'm sure they are different from Croatian families here in Croatia. Bottom line!!! They would shoot him and then her. Croatians that live outside of Croatia are even more racist than Croatians living in Croatia.
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Post by croam on Apr 9, 2005 21:09:36 GMT 1
franchise:"Croatians that live outside of Croatia are even more racist than Croatians living in Croatia."
how do you know? do you live in the US?
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Post by Franchise Croatia on Apr 9, 2005 22:00:28 GMT 1
I grew up in Australia. All the oldies have the same mentality as when they left Croatia in the 50's and 60's. Whether we are talking about Cro immigrants that live in Australia or the USA doesn't really matter. They are pretty much the same.
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Post by croam on Apr 9, 2005 22:21:31 GMT 1
i agree that alot of them have that old mentality...
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Post by racism on Apr 10, 2005 2:51:32 GMT 1
I grew up in Australia. All the oldies have the same mentality as when they left Croatia in the 50's and 60's. Whether we are talking about Cro immigrants that live in Australia or the USA doesn't really matter. They are pretty much the same. That is exactly what I said but Croam wants to argue with me but agree with you..... Hmmm seems strange Croam says I want to fight but I think Croam you are looking for a fight. Bottom line is this. My thoughts and alot of others thoughts about Croatian families is that there are alot of families that would except blacks, serbs, whatever into their family. I think because you never grew up in Croatia you will never understand that. You get your info from people that no longer live in Croatia and no info from black people. Talk to Croatians that live in Croatia & blacks that live in Croatia. They will tell you alot of families are more open to racial diversity in their family. I am not saying all Croatians. I am saying alot of Croatians have changed. Even attitudes about Serbs have changed. Before if you brought a serb home for marriage you would be stoned.... now it happens all the time. There are many mixed marriages now in Croatia. By the way do you know any blacks in Croatia. I do. I would love for my friends to come on and post. I might even email them so that they might. One of my friends is married to a black man and now lives here in the USA. Her husband went to school in Zagreb and that is how they met. They married in Croatia and now living in US. They have had comments made in Croatia and here in the US but far more crap here in the usa than Croatia. We could go on about this all day. Until you actually talk to some blacks that live in Croatia than you don't know and will not know what they go thru.
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Post by croam on Apr 10, 2005 3:48:59 GMT 1
ok your right and I'm wrong... the whole point of the post is to answer the original question and not argue with third parties. I wasn't trying to fight with you... I'm sorry if it came off that way. I wish you would post under other topics as well and give your input on other issues and not just come out and shoot me down and then disappear or post under other names. Mir brate! Its all good. Just because I don't live in Croatia doesn't mean I don't love the country or its people. My main problem is the beauracracy. Everything else is to me not even an issue. I like to escape the "conveniences" we have here in America in exchange for the simpler way of life in HR. I love the food, the customs, people etc. Laku Noc racism! ;D
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Post by EMIZ on Apr 10, 2005 14:37:14 GMT 1
The people, who are saying that most Croatian families would welcome a black son in law, can be taken as either ignorant, a propagandist or an ignorant propagandist. It is laughable how much rubbish I read on here about Croatia and what a utopia it is and how their people are the most friendly open minded intelligent people in the world
Its quite simple, this country is full of prejudices, I agree that a lot of the younger people are more open minded but still far too many are not.
As for Croatians outside of Croatia, I can only gauge that on this forum, I would say that there is a mixture. There are people like u2 who are extreme nationalists, people like barba, star and gs who are nationalists but not extreme and then there are people like croam and vailant who are clearly not of that mind set. Girl from Zagreb is very open minded and she grew up in Zagreb so things are changing. One thing is certain that certain Croats have been influenced by the nationalist’s parents. As for Croam, I find you very willing to put yourself in others shoes and in no way racist.
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Post by Three Lions on Apr 11, 2005 5:31:19 GMT 1
If you don't grow up seeing people of a different creed and a lot of people in Croatia don't , then of course when you see them you don't know how to react to them. I'm sure times will change, SNAIL pace is croatia's normal speed. When my mate Tony came to London every time he saw a black man he would say "BLACK MAN, BLACK MAN!" very loudly. Not his fault he just hadn't seen a black man. His biggest memory is saluting German troops when he was five. What can you say, his stuck in a time warp. Personally I don't want to live in an all white one religion society, its totally BORING DUDE. I think they should make a film called SHAFT shafts Zagreb. All funky hip hop with SHAFT sorting out all the corrupt bastardos in their stupid brown Croatian suits sitting in their new mercedes in plain offices drinking kava and talking about how to stay of the EU for another 1000 years!
SHAFT ya know what I'm saying!
All you white police fascists kiss my black ***!
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Post by croam on Apr 11, 2005 6:14:22 GMT 1
What'd you say?...Hey I'm just talkin' about SHAFT...
Three lions... I definately agree with you that an all white society is BORING. I love other cultures and want them to stay how they are. I can understand nationalism that isn't extreme... people just want to hold onto their heritage and not have it become dilutred or convoluted after a few hundred years. I don't think anyone on here even suggested that an all white society was cool, fun, or good. If interracial marriage is very rare in croatian culture, and a black guy from the US was asking about this, then he deserves an honest answer. Just because I point out how something is does not mean that I think its a good thing. I also don't think its a bad thing as this isn't some croatian conspiracy, but what most people don't understand is that most croatians haven't seen too many black people except for on television and in films. They have been isolated from African culture which is slowly changing as they open up to all cultures. Its no one's fault per se. Its no different than how many chinese people would look twice or stair if they saw a big tall white dude walking around china amonst the chinese who are generally much smaller statured. Lets not stray off topic as usual. We are talking about how things are, not how things should be or will be, and we are not condoning one way or the other...just offering insite to the dude from Atlanta.
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Post by racism on Apr 11, 2005 23:56:06 GMT 1
The people, who are saying that most Croatian families would welcome a black son in law, can be taken as either ignorant, a propagandist or an ignorant propagandist. It is laughable how much rubbish I read on here about Croatia and what a utopia it is and how their people are the most friendly open minded intelligent people in the world Its quite simple, this country is full of prejudices, I agree that a lot of the younger people are more open minded but still far too many are not. As for Croatians outside of Croatia, I can only gauge that on this forum, I would say that there is a mixture. There are people like u2 who are extreme nationalists, people like barba, star and gs who are nationalists but not extreme and then there are people like croam and vailant who are clearly not of that mind set. Girl from Zagreb is very open minded and she grew up in Zagreb so things are changing. One thing is certain that certain Croats have been influenced by the nationalist’s parents. As for Croam, I find you very willing to put yourself in others shoes and in no way racist. Why do you bother to post. You are a very hateful person and you love to cause trouble. Croam and I have obviously solved our differences. I respect what Croam has to say. It looks like you just want to stir the pot but that is about all your good at. Right EMIZ?
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Post by EMIZ on Apr 12, 2005 0:58:42 GMT 1
ba ba...racism whatever u want to be called...everything I said is true and you know it...as others have agreed this is a racist and nationalist place.
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Post by racism on Apr 13, 2005 7:57:27 GMT 1
...racism whatever u want to be called...everything I said is true and you know it...as others have agreed this is a racist and nationalist place. actually if you look back at other posts not everyone is in agreement with you. I do believe that Croam said it was not racism.... maybe I am wrong. Barba Jere also stated that alot of families would accept a black. I also stated that alot of families will accept black & serbs into their families. For you to say that no Croatian family would accept a black into their family is a racist thing to say. I think you might be racist, it sounds like you hate Croatians. Do you?
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Post by croam on Apr 14, 2005 3:48:19 GMT 1
i don't think EMIZ is racist or hates croatians...
Is someone racist if they don't believe in interracial marriage? I dunno...
To me, racism is hating someone for their skin color...hurting them or not giving them equal opportunities. There are many blacks that are against interracial marriage as well. I think interracial marriage, for or against, is different then racism.
It is completely NORMAL to assume that a culture will be weary of a foreign culture/race when they are first exposed to it. It will take time for Croatians to learn to accept other cultures. This is for people living in Croatia. Vacationing there you won't have any problems if you behave yourself and follow common sense rules if you are black or asian or any other race. I think you, racism, are just looking to fight someone. There's a big difference between living amongst someone in tolerance and accepting them into your family. If a Serbian/Croatian marriage would raise eyebrows in many families then what do you expect would happen to an interracial marriage? EMIZ isn't racist for making observations. as a sidenote: i was eating dinner with my parents about four years ago and asked them if they would care if i married a black woman. They said they wouldn't care but society would and that our lives would be hard. My dad said "i don't care who you marry, i only have to see her on Christmas and a few other times during the year". My moms best friend at work was a black woman. I was actually happily surprised by what they said and realized they are right about society being the most unforgiving. Thats why i think there's a difference between racism and not supporting interracial marriage. And what we are talking about ORIGINALLY, is an interracial relationship. So please don't go muddying up the issue by calling us racist because we think that alot of Croatian families wouldn't be accepting of such a relationship. I think there are lots of Americans who wouldn't either. Personally, I don't care what other people do with their lives as long as doesn't affect me. Chill out Racism...your the one who is picking a fight and being hatefull, not us.
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