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Post by ROG on Jan 31, 2006 19:02:43 GMT 1
"Karinsko more" is sort of 5.7 km.sq. gulf connected via small Chanel with "Novigradsko more". Gulf of "Karinsko more" is considered to be part of Adriatic coastline, but it's position is very continental. JNA and Serbian rebels occupied Novigrad in 1992, with only 5 civilians left in town. At 1993 in "operation Maslenica" place was liberated by Croatian forces.
Before war Karin was known as "weekend tourism area" mostly for "insignificant communist party bureaucrats", and become "famous" by ugly "garage looking" houses.
Possibility for Karin to influence serious real estate market of coastal properties is very close to zero (from negative side). Maybe this will change in future ... after Croatia join EU ... meaning ... never.
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Post by daria14 on Jan 31, 2006 22:50:03 GMT 1
ppl stay on topic!
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Post by ROG on Feb 1, 2006 3:30:06 GMT 1
Excuse me, but your "topic" left enough space for us to talk about golden Siberian rabbits migration influencing under surface ice reserves on planet Mars .. and stay inside topic borders.
NHF
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Post by daria14 on Feb 1, 2006 3:43:14 GMT 1
my topic is on croatia selling land, not serbia being on the coast...so take it else where if thats what you want to talk about..
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Post by ROG on Feb 1, 2006 4:54:41 GMT 1
okay ... then you answer me ... How can Croatia sell land ? Croatia is land per se ... We are discussing oxy , here.
If your intention was to suggest that Croatia is going to become "decroatized", just because people sell their private property (to anybody, including foreigners), you missed your own subject.
In theory, country can completely loose it's basic identity and/or stop existing only in 3 ways - by war, by natural catastrophe, or by overused imagination (this is joke).
So, act mature and calm down. Nobody is trying to offend you here.
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Post by Ribaric on Feb 1, 2006 8:34:02 GMT 1
It's a good question Daria. I lived all my life in and around London, a child of the 50's. This means that, in my life, the place has changed out of all recognition in terms of who lives there and who owns the place. Looking deep into my soul I am uneasy with the sheer scale of what is, to me, a foreign takeover of large areas. This could be seen as racist or reactionary but it's not, I'm uneasy about it just the same. It's a matter of scale to me. I believe Croatia, like everywhere else, must embrace foreign influences and change, but there's a limit. Quite where that limit is and how it is imposed is a difficult socio/political question.
So no, Croatia is not selling out....yet. But what could be done if that were the view? Quotas? Nationality means testing? Little tattoos? Scary stuff.
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Post by gmh on Feb 1, 2006 9:13:01 GMT 1
It does seem that a lot of Croatians are very keen to sell their properties for over inflated prices to 'wealthy' foreigners. As has been pointed out in the past on other threads on this forum, that then increases the general property price, and prices it beyond what most 'average' Croatians can afford. I'm wondering if there is some kind of cap on the percentage of Croatian property that can be foreign owned. If there isn't, perhaps there should be. As it stands at the moment, I'm pretty sure it's still a very small percentage that is foreign owned.
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Post by onetoten on Feb 10, 2006 23:24:23 GMT 1
MMMMmmmmh. Hysterical. Well it makes me laugh. Offer up a propery at 'x' amount of kunas, euros, sterling, dollars. The Croats will come and see, and expect it with knobs on. Hot and cold running from all water taps. NO.........foreign buyers will NOT come and see it. As the word is out. STAY OUT. I think that's what the sign says. FORTUNATELY, I am English, I am here, in an incredibly prestige coastal development and, watch my lips.....YOU ARE NOT HAVING IT. Go talk to the hand. And that is an Americanism. (I hate Americanisms.) This discussion is pretty much meaningless. Ex pats, whatever they are. I don't want to know them, I left the UK to escape them. So carry on. And I reserve the right to call anyone a dumb ass who talks like a dumb ass. Croatia is okay. I have said that time and time again. It will, most certainly, be esclusive. And it wont take so long. And they have been burning Croatian flags in Sarajevo. Boy I hate that, big time. I LIVE in Croatia!
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Post by gmh on Feb 11, 2006 0:39:25 GMT 1
You are most certainly a man of contradictions and cripticisms. Not sure if that last word is a word, but it is now as far as I'm concerned
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Post by Slatkica on Feb 11, 2006 9:53:37 GMT 1
the foreigners should stop buying croatian land! especially the islands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by bobsyouruncle on Feb 11, 2006 13:33:38 GMT 1
Oh dear, here we go again...Why exactly would that be, sladka? Croats have had their land for centuries and what have they done with it? Nothing! It is sad fact that it needs a few foreigners buying the properties and land, for Croats to suddenly wake up to the potential.
It is a free world, my dear. I certainly would have been offended if anyone in England told me I couldn't buy my property because I was a foreigner. What exactly are you objecting to? Everyone is free to sell their land to whomever they want to!
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Post by irac on Feb 11, 2006 14:42:32 GMT 1
It is fortunate that the tiny minority of ignorant folks is shrinking as time passes in Croatia, as in many other countries and her sweetness just proves this. In so many ways these folks are determined to say what they'd do if they lived in the country, yet they would sell their granny in a heartbeat.
There is strong talk that after 2008 the government will only allow non-nationals to buy through concession (99 years etc) but if this passes they will immediately shatter the principles enshrined by Herr Tudjman, free market logic and revert back to the darkest of days of fascism, you'd very soon find the mouthpieces who speak out against foreigners suddenly run for the hills, or should I say Slovenia, as soon as it comes in.
Croatia only sells out if it listens to the warprofiteers who helped destroy the country and who are so scared of losing any power with greater scrutiny from national and international bodies.
Unlike the Middle East of the 1970's, when King Faisal had Carter sit in a tent and eat dates and drink camel milk, Croatia have nothing to turn off to the rest of the world and there's no way the country will survive without it's energy and food supplies, and certainly without it's luxury goods!
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Post by Slatkica on Feb 11, 2006 21:45:59 GMT 1
You dont understand what I am trying to say do you , I mean if all teh foreigners carry on buying croatian land at this rate there will be no more croatia! Soon it will just be another Ibiza! Then what will we do, I just dont what the native croatia, and it traditions, people, to become pert of its history. And for it to become just another mass overly tacky tourist resort
Croatian land, islands etc should be free for everyone to discover, especially croatians, it shouldn't be just sold out to the people who have the most money in their back pockets, becuase then there would be nothing left and it would spoil the beauty of it.
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Post by gmh on Feb 11, 2006 22:53:12 GMT 1
Well, if that's your point, then surely you'd be better off saying that Croatians shouldn't be selling their property at over inflated prices just so they can make a quick buck off the 'wealthy' foriegner. They should be selling it at a fair price to locals. It seems though that most Croatians selling their property here would rather make the most money they can from it, and don't care who they sell it to. Hardly the fault of the people buying the property.
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Post by Slatkica on Feb 11, 2006 23:11:52 GMT 1
Well, if that's your point, then surely you'd be better off saying that Croatians shouldn't be selling their property at over inflated prices just so they can make a quick buck off the 'wealthy' foriegner. They should be selling it at a fair price to locals. It seems though that most Croatians selling their property here would rather make the most money they can from it, and don't care who they sell it to. Hardly the fault of the people buying the property. no but , for instance I know not everyone can afford their own Croatian island, but at the moment they are on sale to the public. And sooner or later what will we ( I mean everyone not just Croatians) have left? I'm not trying to put a blame on it, I'm just stating the facts. I think it's partly spoiling things becuase croatia is supposed to be the Mediterranean as it once was, and not become like parts of Spain for instance, where it is over crammed with holiday homes, mass tourism, and virtually no actual spanish people! lol , I don't think anybody wants that, I think people want to go to Croatia to see it for what it is, and not for a sold out has been
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