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Post by BrankoL on Apr 10, 2006 22:43:27 GMT 1
A Prominent local was being interviewed in Croatia yesterday and he said....Croatians will forgive you for anything, except success. This prominent Croatian has not got a good reputation in Croatia: according to a CRO newsweekly, he was a Serbian agent, bought the best hotel in Dubrovnik for very little money (hints of possible corruption), and all sort of other things. Now he claims that Croats envy him, because he is so successful. They do not like him, because he was involved allegedly in all sorts of shady deals.
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Post by Sasha on Apr 10, 2006 22:48:36 GMT 1
Do not mention him: he did extremly well in gormer YU (son of a communist general) and again he is doing well, due to his old connections.
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Post by eric on Apr 10, 2006 23:07:24 GMT 1
seems a lot of chat here in code. Lets not forget that we were asked about whether Dream Property is a reputable agent. I think what has gone on in this chat room speaks for itself! Best to avoid them.....
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Post by Sasha on Apr 11, 2006 10:45:28 GMT 1
My previous post got messed up: we are talking about Croatia businessman Goran Strok, owner of many hotels in Dubrovnik. He did very well during former Yugoslavia (his father was a general), and even better in independent Croatia, with the help of some CRO politicians. He bought the best hotel in Dubrovnik ("Excelsior") for about 1/2 million pounds (plus assumed some debts). Incredibly cheap, and he is now buying property formerly owned by some Serbian firms on the cheap, which according to Croatian law should not be sold. Nobody else is doing that, but he might get away with this, as he has good connections.
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Post by BrankoL on Apr 11, 2006 10:50:22 GMT 1
There is a rumour that there is Serbian capital behind Goran Strok. This might be possible, but who knows?
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Post by seka on Apr 11, 2006 11:23:44 GMT 1
Absolutely right: Gharani and Strok are GREAT!
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Post by dreampc on Apr 11, 2006 14:33:07 GMT 1
Dear NIKH (Niamh Kenny from Croatian Property Management)
(The webmaster keeps deleting your name even though when asked to delete this post until some definitive details were provided, the webmaster would not, so here we go again as I don’t see why she should be able to lie behind a false name and we have to defend our company).
We are particularly disappointed with the performance of the webmaster who was asked to delete all these lies and ask for details and then allow the post but for whatever reason the webmaster allowed this to continue, with no details being provided. As such, we are happy to discuss this matter with Ms Kenny in an open forum)
nikh, (Ms Kenny)
We regret to hear that you are having ongoing problems with the Balan 1 Development on Ciovo.
What we don’t understand is why you relate this issue to Dream Property Croatia as you made this purchase a full 12 months before DPC had any dealings in Split and 12 months before anyone from Dream Property Croatia had ever even been to Split.
Would you be honest enough Ms Kenny to concede that a) you did not purchase this property through DPC b) nor had even met the owner of DPC when you made the purchase c) nor ever received a request for any payment from DPC. d) Would you state publicly that you received no advice from DPC to purchase in Balan 1.
We would ask you now to state that DPC (Kelleher Nekretnine doo) had no involvement in this issue and we can all move on.
We can provide proof that you purchased 12 months before we had any involvement in the Split market.
When we did enter the Split market through a local partner in 2005 for a brief period, together, we withdrew 39 clients from Balan 2 because of the issues clients (once again that DPC had not been involved with like you) were having in Balan 1. Yes there is a long story here on the difficulties that were had in having the money eventually returned from the lawyer.
We have since re-launched DPC through our own office on The Riva in Split with our own staff. We have learnt a lot. We are only selling developments by foreign developers who we believe will deliver. We have a good new selection of properties and great people.
May I suggest Ms Kenny, that you direct your anger to your solicitor whose role it was to protect you in this transaction. You should also go after the developer but as you will find, he is in a stronger position because he is a local. The last time we saw you with the developer, you were best of friends. Hate to say, I told you so! It was the top!
In turn, as it is now clear from our honest statements above, you are trying to damage our business which we consider to be a serious legal issue. We have continually asked the webmaster to delete your rant as it is nonsense and untrue and has no details as to your claim nor details of how we have ever been involved together. The webmaster set a period to allow Ms Kenny to reply with some facts, requesting by private mail, or to delete the caustic comments. No details were provided but the posts were allowed to remain which is very strange.
Once again, we can understand why you are angry, even a touch delusional it appears from the post (as they relate to one of our staff), and we regret the issues you have with the development and hope it will not be torn down, and, although we hope you have the honesty to concede, we have nothing got to do with you or the development.
Our lawyer in Dublin is attempting to contact you to understand why you have seen it fit to attempt to damage our business but there is never an answer from your Dublin office phone and the voice mailbox is full.
Ps Re the RTE program, we were contacted the night before filming in Croatia as 3 local agents failed to show up. All involved were aware that the property shown was not checked and agreed to proceed with the filming. In general the program was well received and the country came across as stunning and generated significant interest in Croatia and the property market. We can also provide proof of this.
If anyone wants proof that this is indeed Ms Kenny, (a further example of her lies is that she says above it is not her) they can just ask and we will provide the proof.
To sum up, looking at Ms Kenny's posts over recent times, enough said.
Kind Regards
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Post by Ribaric on Apr 11, 2006 14:44:55 GMT 1
Why did you choose to use this public forum? There is an adequate personal messaging system. Why display the name of the subject (NIKH) publicly? This action and using terms like "what you are on about" tells any readers here something about you.
I don't know who you or NIKH are or what the problem is but please conduct your business away from this forum. If you have issues with NIKH's public statements then there is a legal process available for you to address it, this is not it.
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Post by dreampc on Apr 11, 2006 14:55:01 GMT 1
We have tried to contact Ms Kenny through a private message but she did not respond.
As the webmaster will allow her to post unchecked, what choice do we have but to respond in this manner?
I dont see what is the difference between what she has done in discussing peoples names and why we should not be able to mention Ms Kenny. (Once again the webmaster has seen fit to delete her name already once. Why shouold she and her company not be mentioned. Why should she be allowed to hide behind the webmaster while we are publicly attacked? How the webmaster can turn a blind eye to her deflamatory comments and not curtail her and then when the innocent party ousts her, she is protected??? If I can prove it is her, as I can, even though she has lied in an earlier post that it is not, why should she be protected while we read her unfounded allegations? We are wiser to respond about her involvement in Croatia and the rental market, in public.
What is the difference between what her company has done and our post except we mention the details and the truth.
We have tried to contact her but she does not return our messages.
And then she states its not her when we can prove it is?
It is very hurtful to all of us at DPC to be publicly slandered in this way. We work very hard to try to build a business and then nikh is allowed to damage us in this way and the only way to respond is in this manner as the webmaster allows this to continue. We have asked the webmaster to request Ms Kenny to provide details and no details were forthcomming. Its a crazy situation that we have to defend ourselves and provide the truth while Ms Kenny is allowed to post, it seems, anything she likes.
[Edit: Personal details removed]
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Post by irac on Apr 11, 2006 14:56:16 GMT 1
In fairness Ribaric when, a long time ago, I mentioned how poorly the company and country came across on Irish TV I did get a rather stilted defence, which you notice again (briefly) at the bottom of the post. But why this was launched now (with naked legalese) at another poster is, well, not great, but I suppose they wish to protect against slander.
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Post by Ribaric on Apr 11, 2006 15:39:35 GMT 1
Hi irac, I don't want to perpetuate this or get into it, I've had my say and that's probably too much. I guess people can say what they like on the internet and, having owned a public facing business for many years I know it hurts when you get attacked, but you just have to rise above it. The truth is, what gets printed here probably has zero effect on any real business anyway. I'll shut up now and find other threads.
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Post by Anna on Apr 12, 2006 0:11:07 GMT 1
Seeing as this thread could easily run and run into nothing, I suggest we close it here and now.
It's very easy to provide one side of the story, then the other side...but for those of us who don't know the full picture, it doesn't provide much conclusive information on the topic, one way or the other.
Whilst I understand that in some circumstances there are cases from witholding some facts, giving half a story just paints a confusing picture. It is best to say either everything or nothing; alluding to things or writing cryptically doesn't reflect very well (IMO).
As an small aside: if people do have views (on anything!), I would strongly suggest that they provide as much detailed information as they can. Writing a only a brief sentence is a akin to an answer of "Because it just is" when someone asks "Why is this bad?"
I suggest that if this needs to be carried on, it be done in private.
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Post by dreampc on Apr 12, 2006 0:20:48 GMT 1
At DPC, we have no problem continuing this topic with Ms Kenny in public. We dont see any cryptic answer in our response to Ms Kenny above.
From the webmasters comments there seems to be a trace of suggestion that DPC have something to hide, (The other side of the story) which is not correct.
The answer is simple and Ms Kenny needs to confirm this for this matter to be closed...DPC had no involvement in the development Balan 1 in which she has purchased and which has many issues. We can see she is upset but DPC did not set up in Split for more than 12 months after she got involved in the development. Its that simple. No crypic answer, no half story. Thats it!
We have not ever nor and from here on, will not ever,have any dealing with Ms Kenny nor her company.
So who has come out well here?
There is an old saying in Croatia, when someone puts crap on you, ignore it, as when you poke it with a stick, it smells worse. We waited but could wait no longer to respond. We were left with no choice but to defend ourselves as Ms Kenny was allowed to discuss our company with no responsibility.
Very poor performance all around, we suggest.
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Post by atavus on Apr 12, 2006 0:34:50 GMT 1
There is an old saying in Croatia, when someone puts crap on you, ignore it as when you poke it with a stick it smells worse. ;D ;D I must learn that one, it's a beaut. Translation much appreciated
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Post by mark2 on Apr 12, 2006 16:59:30 GMT 1
1) The written word is libel not slander 2) Everyone legally has the "Right to Reply" in some format. Maybe not in cyberspace. 3) Internet libel laws are not fully in place and many expensive test cases are still in the courts 4) Take the webmaster's advice in all cases
Like Ribariccccchhhhh, I'm off to another thread, Bok Off
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