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Post by Slatkica on Sept 5, 2007 10:19:06 GMT 1
Mambo, that is terrible what happened to you in Italy with these yanks, however it doesn't surprise me in the slightest. They are so ignorant. My brother-in-law has a friend who went there and said their news is never about anything outside their own country. Not to mention their gun obsession. I met one in Hull last year. I only talked to him because I thought he was Dutch at first as he was smoking Dutch tobacco. He finished his coffee and then said (loudly of course!) that he was going to the police station to pick up his gun. I told him we don't like guns in the UK, which seemed to shock him. He said he'd been chucked out of a night club the night before "because he was with one bloke who was speaking Russian and another who was speaking Latvian". Yeah right. He then claimed to be "Dutch-American" so I started speaking Dutch and he didn't understand a word. Need I say more? Rosie O'Donnell is excellent on the American version of 'Loose women,' called 'The View' she puts some really good but controversial points across. uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WsS8ncCRCwQuk.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9uSCNdr4pM
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Post by Slatkica on Sept 5, 2007 10:20:19 GMT 1
Californiacro, Im not American lol! Where you born over there or in Croatia? Sorry I thought you live and attend college in America.... Where do you live? I was born in Croatia but I now have citizenship here too. So I have dual citizenship... I am thinking to apply for British citizenship but I do believe they make you give up your Croatian citizenship which I won't. I live in London ;D
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Post by californiacro on Sept 5, 2007 18:15:55 GMT 1
example going into Bosnia is easier with American passport than Croatian one. Things like that... Strange. We went to B&H for a visit, and on the border is even enough to have only the Cro ID (osobna karta). I have had 2 incidents there....when I have used Croatian passport... I was asked to wait a minute than asked questions but using the American passport... not a peep at the border and the other person with me was stopped and asked a few questions and they had Cro passport.... maybe this is a coincidence but it is strange....
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Post by Aleksandra on Sept 6, 2007 0:51:32 GMT 1
Californiacro, Im not American lol! Where you born over there or in Croatia? Sorry I thought you live and attend college in America.... Where do you live? I was born in Croatia but I now have citizenship here too. So I have dual citizenship... I am thinking to apply for British citizenship but I do believe they make you give up your Croatian citizenship which I won't. Brits will let you have three citizenships. I have three, Croatian, Aussie and British, and British one is the last one I acquired about 6 years ago. And if you ask why three - well, one son is born in UK, the other in Australia and they both have dual Aussie / British citizenships. So it is important for me to have the same citizenship as they do.. And Croatian is by birth. But I thought it is Americans that make you have only one?
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Post by californiacro on Sept 6, 2007 1:29:05 GMT 1
The economy in Italy is now going a little worse and there is an enormous influx of immigrants, which pulls everything down (and none of the Italians are happy with it). If the North would have its way they would cut away from the South and kick all the immigrants out again. And to be honest............I can't blame them. So when Croatians say they want to limit immigration.... you take offense but when Italians want to do it... you can't blame them... Whatever the reason a country wants to limit foreigners... be it immigrants are buying up all the land and driving up prices OR immigrants draining the country. No difference to the locals both are bad. It is the people of the country that should decide on immigration policy not the immigrants telling Croatians what & who we should accept into our country..... So many complain when Croatians say they want to limit foreigners..... but they have no problem with others doing it. Hypocrites
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Post by californiacro on Sept 6, 2007 1:33:00 GMT 1
Sorry I thought you live and attend college in America.... Where do you live? I was born in Croatia but I now have citizenship here too. So I have dual citizenship... I am thinking to apply for British citizenship but I do believe they make you give up your Croatian citizenship which I won't. Brits will let you have three citizenships. I have three, Croatian, Aussie and British, and British one is the last one I acquired about 6 years ago. And if you ask why three - well, one son is born in UK, the other in Australia and they both have dual Aussie / British citizenships. So it is important for me to have the same citizenship as they do.. And Croatian is by birth. But I thought it is Americans that make you have only one? These idiots don't even know I have Croatian citizenship... and I would doubt they would ever find out if I got Brit citiznshp.
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Post by mambo on Sept 6, 2007 11:04:06 GMT 1
Californiacro,
You may not agree, but I do see a slight difference between immigrants in Italy and immigrants in Croatia. First of all, Croatia accepted the first asylum seeker last year ! I don't think a lot followed afterwards. Second, you have immigrants in this country, but I think that 90 % of them come here with money either to buy a house and retire or set up their own company generating enough income to support themselves. I also don't see these immigrants going around the cities, plundering them as they go (except for a few from Bulgarija and Romania during the summer).
In Italy it is a completely different story. When I was living in Vicenza it was a safe city, no small crime, no violence, the city was at work ! I could leave my car anywhere, with the doors not locked, things inside and nothing would happen.
Nowadays it is a different situation. The place crowded with political and economical refugees. Lots of Albanians, Kenians, Bosnians, from Kosovo and other countries in Africa. Now Vicenza is a place of crime (burglaries, robberies etc) and the original inhabitants of the city are absolutely not happy.
I know that many will react like: 'those are the problems of big cities', but in this case it does not work like that. The small crime started when the immigrants, without economical future, came to the city. I also know it is not political correct to say this, but the truth sometimes hurts.
That is why I say I can't blame the Italians in the North that they want to kick the immigrants out. If the immigrants would have behaved it would not have been a problem. I was an immigrant as well in that city and never went around pillaging and looting the place. And like me there were many more (Brits, Americans, Greeks, Spanish, French, Germans, Danes, Swedes etc).
The same is here in Croatia. Where I live we don't have small crime and I hope it will stay that way. And if that means kicking criminals out of the country.........so be it.
The last thing you want is to be political correct and have your country looted by criminal immigrants. Won't happen ?
In Holland many people were afraid that the country would get flooded with criminal elements from Poland, Hungary etc when the borders would open up. Our politicians, politically correct as always, were outraged. How could we speak so bad about our new members of the EU. Now, not even a few years later they are passing emergency laws through parliament to stop the criminal elements of these countries. They finally acknowledged that indeed it is a problem.
Something that the people already knew and expected before it happened.
Ok, now everybody can jump me and call me whatever you want.
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Post by capio on Sept 6, 2007 11:48:24 GMT 1
There's a huge difference, most Croats drive yugos and eat sarma, few economic migrants will be attracted there, although I met a few Nigerians people generally don't move east or to Croatia to rape it of its recourses, quite the opposite they boast the economy.
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Post by justapixel on Sept 6, 2007 11:56:46 GMT 1
There's a huge difference, most Croats drive yugos and eat sarma, few economic migrants will be attracted there, although I met a few Nigerians people generally don't move east or to Croatia to rape it of its recourses, quite the opposite they boast the economy. You shouldn't write when you're so excited. You missed a period and also probably meant to write bolster. .
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Post by capio on Sept 6, 2007 12:16:00 GMT 1
There's a huge difference, most Croats drive yugos and eat sarma, few economic migrants will be attracted there, although I met a few Nigerians people generally don't move east or to Croatia to rape it of its recourses, quite the opposite they boast the economy. You shouldn't write when you're so excited. You missed a period and also probably meant to write bolster. . I meant boost...too busy for grammar this week...I am in the office...which means no watching Jeremy Kyle and surfing all day.
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Post by Ribaric on Sept 6, 2007 12:59:30 GMT 1
<ducks for cover> Mambo, I'd call you realistic </ducks for cover>
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Post by justapixel on Sept 6, 2007 13:32:47 GMT 1
I meant boost...too busy for grammar this week...I am in the office...which means no watching Jeremy Kyle and surfing all day. Boost is ok, too. But you can't remedy lack of periods in a message by having too many in next one. I'm in the office, too, which means surfing all day. .
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Post by californiacro on Sept 6, 2007 22:17:08 GMT 1
Californiacro, You may not agree, but I do see a slight difference between immigrants in Italy and immigrants in Croatia. First of all, Croatia accepted the first asylum seeker last year ! I don't think a lot followed afterwards. Second, you have immigrants in this country, but I think that 90 % of them come here with money either to buy a house and retire or set up their own company generating enough income to support themselves. I also don't see these immigrants going around the cities, plundering them as they go (except for a few from Bulgarija and Romania during the summer). In Italy it is a completely different story. When I was living in Vicenza it was a safe city, no small crime, no violence, the city was at work ! I could leave my car anywhere, with the doors not locked, things inside and nothing would happen. Nowadays it is a different situation. The place crowded with political and economical refugees. Lots of Albanians, Kenians, Bosnians, from Kosovo and other countries in Africa. Now Vicenza is a place of crime (burglaries, robberies etc) and the original inhabitants of the city are absolutely not happy. I know that many will react like: 'those are the problems of big cities', but in this case it does not work like that. The small crime started when the immigrants, without economical future, came to the city. I also know it is not political correct to say this, but the truth sometimes hurts. That is why I say I can't blame the Italians in the North that they want to kick the immigrants out. If the immigrants would have behaved it would not have been a problem. I was an immigrant as well in that city and never went around pillaging and looting the place. And like me there were many more (Brits, Americans, Greeks, Spanish, French, Germans, Danes, Swedes etc). The same is here in Croatia. Where I live we don't have small crime and I hope it will stay that way. And if that means kicking criminals out of the country.........so be it. The last thing you want is to be political correct and have your country looted by criminal immigrants. Won't happen ? In Holland many people were afraid that the country would get flooded with criminal elements from Poland, Hungary etc when the borders would open up. Our politicians, politically correct as always, were outraged. How could we speak so bad about our new members of the EU. Now, not even a few years later they are passing emergency laws through parliament to stop the criminal elements of these countries. They finally acknowledged that indeed it is a problem. Something that the people already knew and expected before it happened. Ok, now everybody can jump me and call me whatever you want. My point being... if a country wants to limit immigrants be it poor immigrants or rich immigrants... that is their right. Maybe some Croatians don't want their land all bought up by immigrants that have money and come in with money and drive up prices, so poor locals can't even afford a beer in their expensive, safe village/city. So again my main Point is... I believe every country has the right to do what they want in immigration be it limiting immigrants with money, poor immigrants, or even criminal immigrants.... ALL immigrants.
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Post by zorro on Sept 6, 2007 23:08:23 GMT 1
Well Croatia is a very economically static place with a population growth of zero per cent, so some measured immigration would definitely be of benefit. Also it would help bring some fluidity into the labour market and aid competition. So in effect it would drive prices down.
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Post by Ribaric on Sept 7, 2007 8:38:38 GMT 1
But not if it wants to join the EU where ALL EU residents (well, nearly all) have the right to live anywhere within the union. California can't limit immigrants from Pennsylvania - as much as it would like to.
You can't have it both ways.
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