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Post by justapixel on Mar 7, 2008 15:44:32 GMT 1
15 avarage incomes. Before or after tax? I think this is after tax and that will make it even more affordable then in the UK. In Croatia it's always after the taxes. It would be too depressing if people were constantly reminded of how much government is taking from them. .
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Post by Carol on Mar 7, 2008 16:29:04 GMT 1
and in most of the west its before taxes. Direct taxes in the Uk are between 35% and 50% (ish) depending on how much you earn.
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Post by justapixel on Mar 7, 2008 19:55:47 GMT 1
In Croatia it's 33% for lowest wage, 40% for average and up to 65% for high salaries.
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Post by Carol on Mar 7, 2008 21:02:08 GMT 1
true but not relevant as i was trying to give you the info to adjust the 8Xnumber to help the salaries in the Uk be calculated netto
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Post by justapixel on Mar 8, 2008 0:08:43 GMT 1
You could just have replaced 8x with 12x.
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Post by Carol on Mar 8, 2008 7:14:36 GMT 1
I could but then it would have been a bit of a stab in the dark. A part of the puzzle is still missing, there isn't enough info to solve the equation.
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Post by justapixel on Mar 8, 2008 9:35:39 GMT 1
Gee, you sound so mysterious. ;D
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Post by Carol on Mar 8, 2008 9:59:09 GMT 1
do you think so? I thought I was rather open and uncomplicated. Back to the ratio though, I guess you didn't do much arithmetic at your school?
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Post by zorro on Mar 8, 2008 12:10:53 GMT 1
and in most of the west its before taxes. Direct taxes in the Uk are between 35% and 50% (ish) depending on how much you earn. Lost me here thought the flat rate was 22 per cent, what you adding on.?
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Post by Carol on Mar 8, 2008 12:26:57 GMT 1
nat ins which came in on my wage slip at around 10%. I thought it was 25% basic rate though (although wasn't there a 10% on the first 2k for a while), so if its 22% then it should be 32% not 35%
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Post by darcy on Mar 8, 2008 23:49:47 GMT 1
These Croats, they are hopeless about the tax and the money. I am not surprised the establishment is ripping them off. Do not mix VAT tax (22% when you make a purchase in the shop) and income tax (when you earn a salary). When I was in Croatia, income tax was cool 60%+, including "pension", what profession usually exclude from the tax bucket, but it really does not matter as it is only 5-15% of the "tax".
Overall, I think salaries in Croatia are reasonably high, much higher then any other comparable economy. They are very high for employers, that is for sure. If anybody asks for a payrise there, you should think carefully before asking your boss for more. Better ask your local MP.
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Post by zorro on Mar 9, 2008 12:26:52 GMT 1
Are you so sure, in the last two weeks I've heard two Croatians complain that it is not worth them taking a job because of petrol costs involved in getting to the workplace.
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Post by mambo on Mar 9, 2008 17:06:17 GMT 1
@ Carol, I have dealt with Americans for at least 25 years of my life (lived there and worked with them closely) and during these 25 years in every country they show the same behavior, completely out of sync with the place they are visiting. Whether it was in Italy where they destroyed the property market in less than 3 months or whether it was in Spain, Norway, Belgium, Francee or even in the Caribbean, Americans simply have no feeling for other countries, they behave like the elephant in the porcelan cupboard. I am sorry to say so, but it is my experience with them. And the Brits/Germans etc ? We get a lot of them here in Istria and I can only say that the Germans are becoming more careful about the prices, but many Brits still keep comparing the prices here with the prices they pay in England. There are even television programs on UK television where the presenters regularly advertise Croatia as 'a bargain compared to the UK'. Never understood why someone would want to do that, but it happens. Several friends of mine work in the real estate business and we regularly have a good laugh about these type of customers. justapixel, I did not write 75 % of the coast for nothing. The 25 % is indeed Rijeka, Split and perhaps Zadar, the rest of the coast has not a lot to offer other than tourism. And 15,000 euro as a yearly salary ? Perhaps this is true in Zagreb, but for most of Croatia this is a salary most Croatians can only dream about. The gross salaries you have to pay as an employer are indeed quite high. And the current prices for fuel don't help a lot. It is not true though that the workers will have to pay the price for transport by themselves. The employer regularly pays part of the cost (or even all the cost) of travel from home to work.
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Post by Carol on Mar 9, 2008 17:45:58 GMT 1
Mambo, although you appear to have garnered information about what happens during property viewings by being on the street outside, I would have to say that what you imagine goes on doesn't match my first hand experience of what does go on. Second, those programs are the bane of my life! They make my job a lot harder. Especially A Place in the Sun which never tells you what date the prices relate to, so often the reruns can be years old. People see them, have their expectations set by them and when they get here and find that the reality isn't even close, they often give up or worse go around telling everyone that the prices rose because there was interest from a foreigner.
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Post by mambo on Mar 9, 2008 18:59:04 GMT 1
Carol,
I am not the kind of person that simply states that only the persons who deal directly with a buyer know the truth. It may just be me, but you will never hear me say in public that I find something too cheap. If I find something cheap I will notice that, but I won't mention it or make remarks about it until I am far far away and definitely out of hearing distance of a seller.
How often I hear tourists say 'wow, that was cheap', when the owner of the restaurant, apartment, souvenir shop etc is close by, you would not be able to count those times. And trust me, when someone tells them in their face that something was too cheap.........the prices will increase immediately.
I remember Venice 1993. The USD was quite strong and during the summer many US military came from the US to visit Venice with their families, of course had to go in a Gondola. The price of a Gondola at that time was 30,000 Lire for 30 minutes. 30,000 Lire at that time was close to 15 USD and every single American thought it was necessary to tell the Gondoliero that it was so cheap. Before the end of the summer the price had risen to 120,000 Lire (around 60 USD). All the Europeans complaining and the Americans still laughing, they did not understand the concept of keeping their mouth shut. Nowadays of course, with the USD extremely weak the US tourists are complaining about the high prices.
Same happened in Vicenza with the rental of apartments. When you go to an owner telling him that you have 1800 USD per month to spend you do not need to be a wizard to figure out that the owner is going to ask that 1800 USD (would be crazy if he didn't). Only problem was that the normal working man could no longer find any apartments to live in. The newspapers had a blast with this story, but the housing market was fully destroyed.....until the US military moved out of Vicenza.
Here in Croatia I have heard tourist say (when the owner was present) that the 100 euro per night was a bargain. Maybe it is just me, but when you think it is a bargain you shut up, accept the bargain and don't ruin the market for others. Perhaps 100 euro is nothing for you, but for others it is still a fortune and in a country where many people still earn 300 to 400 euro per month...........trust me, 100 euro is a fortune. Recently a house was sold in a small village near Motovun via a blind bidding process. One buyer happened to be a Brit and overbid the market by 250 %. He did get the house, but does this mean that the actual value of this house is what he paid for it ? In fact, when he found out he overpaid he tried to retract his bid and offer a lower price.
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