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Post by Ben on Apr 8, 2004 13:53:04 GMT 1
I never claimed that racial hatred was not alive and well in other countries, though the examples are anti-Semitic not racial, it is just that in Croatia it is more widespread or at least more noticeable (the walls daubed with Ustasha symbols as an example).
Is this not an example of ‘racial hatred’?
The article was written by a Croat, not some pro-Serbian western journalist. The same article also states that the law which was meant to bar discrimination and racism is formulated in such a way that does not allow for the prosecution of the many forms of verbal attack present on the Croatian public scene. So the law is there, but it’s an ineffective one.
Why the Croats & Croatia? Well this is an internet board about Croatia, I’d say the same about Serbia, Macedonia, Slovenia and Bosnia, rabid tribalism is rife in all the ex Yugoslavia republics. People need some one to blame, to take revenge on, its how they are, and normally those to blame are the minorities.
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Post by TalkSense on Apr 8, 2004 14:25:59 GMT 1
Are you sure Tena Erceg is a Croat? You'd hear other instances in Croatia have someone paid a true Croatian journalist, or at least an objective one to report from the terrain. The face of 'revange' would show its true colors then. As to how people are, I don't know, I'm not yet convinced that human nature is such.
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Post by TalkSense on Apr 8, 2004 14:58:29 GMT 1
why did you say then 'racial hatred' when you listed in your previous post:
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Post by Josh on Apr 8, 2004 15:00:52 GMT 1
"Could it be…because they are able to live in XY?" "Is the need to seek asylum in the UK…significant any more?" "I'd say…based on what I have said."
Well Nick, looking at the quality of your evidence, are YOU planning on standing as a Labour candidate in the upcoming GE?
We can talk about socio-political, geo-strategic and micro/macro-economic circumstances in the XY and deduce whether they MIGHT give reason for lesser need for emigration from the XY. But first let’s clear one thing please. Is the introduction of the visa and keeping the visa in place justified by the figures YOU provided or not?
The example you have given about recent immigration shambles (yet another one) just proves my point of how rush, arbitrary and not well thought through decisions can cause mess. So you would advise, learning from the given example, that the visa for CRO citizens should be removed based on your Cuckoo-land theory and you are sure that there wouldn’t be a single additional asylum applicant as a result? You would simply ignore the clear evidence of asylum figures on the strength of “could, might, what if”? Prime Labour material, no doubt about it!
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Post by dijana on Jun 9, 2004 17:31:32 GMT 1
Hi!
I completely agree with Josh. I am here in the UK because I sincerely believe that was the right country for me when I sought protection from the Croatian authorities. I still have to live with consequences of what I have been through in Croatia - mentally and physically and I am still receiving medical treatment for it. I hope that Croatia will become "liberated" one day in the same way as the Iraq and Afghanistan and there will be possibility for all ethnic minorities to live freely and without discrimination there. If Croatia ever joins the Europe I hope it will be together with Serbia and Albania since the standard of human rights is the same there. However if they are accepted as the full member of the EC before than others I will legally try to address breach of my human rights in Strasbourg. I belive that other Serbs from Croatia and others whose human rights have been breached will do the same.
Yours sincerely,
Dijana X
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Post by Martina on Jun 9, 2004 21:36:16 GMT 1
I would like to know how minorities are welcomed in Serbia? And is Serbia cleared from CCCC? It would be nice to know how many Croats live in Croatia and is Croatia ever going to belong to the Croats ?And message for Dijana I believe lots of Croats would be very appalled to join EU together with Serbia .myself included And on the subject the UK has the right to be difficult because until Croats don’t get they act together and clean their own rubbish we probably won’t move anywhere! Martina
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Post by Zagorec on Jun 10, 2004 0:24:17 GMT 1
Dear Dijana, you are so horribly mistaken, when you compare Croatia to Serbia and Albania. These two countries are at least 50 years behind Croatia ; economically, culturaly, mentally as well as the way how Croatia treats all of its minorities, including the Serbs.
I am personally sorry that you had to go through some rough period here, but it had been the same way for both sides, the Croats and the Serbs, especially for the first nation that was brutally attacked on its own territory. War is not an easy thing to deal with, but also it would be very interesting to know what your parents or family had done here that you ended up treated like that here ?!?
Anyhow, speaking of Serbia and Albania joining the EU at the same together with Croatia...you can just have colorful dreams about it. Besides that, Croatia has pretty big chances to achieve this goal until the end of this decade, or maybe even in two-three years which is gonna depend on the European Commision and not on Croatia itself.
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Post by Medo on Jun 10, 2004 10:52:23 GMT 1
If you believe Iraq and Afghanistan have been liberated then you really live on another planet. Yes, at a glance evil dictators/leaderships have been removed, but they have just been replaced by others creating a lot of internal in fighting. So for the people nothing has really changed and they still gace death, destruction and tyranny.
Now in Croatia things might not be great all the time but they are moving in the right direction. Not all people will be able to forgive and forget but you forget there are a lot of good people in Croatia. On the other hand Serbs from Croatia have also been given Croatian passports, those who have their properties damaged have been given finances for them to be repaired etc. Serbs are also represented in parliament and have a say in what goes on.
What relevance your human rights have to do with Croatia gaining entry to the EU before Serbia etc., I do not know. One of the reasons Croatia will eventually gain entry is because they are addressing and improving human rights.
I am sorry for what you have been through but we've all had bad experiences. To this day I still do understand what there was to gain from fighting. How would have the International Community reacted if Croatia had forcefully expelled all Serbs from Croatia in 90/91? Not very well in my opinion. It probably would have resulted in International isolation and would have damaged and crippled Croatia severly.
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Post by Janet on Jun 28, 2004 9:38:48 GMT 1
Once again I say that the UK visa system is not about Croatia. It is about the illigal immigration problem in the UK. Croatia is sadly a victim of the closed door policy to many countries that the UK operates (which is the result of the fact that the UK takes per capita the highest number of asylum seekers than all other countries in the world). I am sympathetic to the Croatian complaint - indeed it was impossible to have my wedding in the UK because of the visas that would be required - but it's not about Croatia per se.
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