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Post by Dimnjacarko on Oct 15, 2004 9:04:38 GMT 1
Its very hard for a foreing persons to understand.
Brits or british policy after 2nd WW are one of causes why Croatian society is still heavily divided on left and right. Heard of Bleiburg gents?? well there are different stories concerning the case but it was Britis who returned escaping Ustase-Domobrans and their families back to the hands of Partisans who commited mass crime by mass execution. During YUgoslavia this was not a subject anyone was allowed to talk about and over 50000 persons were executed and thrown in to the pits and at the same time Jasenovac victims were blown out of proportion so some Serbian historians came up with over one milion victims in the camp. As usual truth is somwhere in between but such reasons of onesided iterpretation of history cause further conflicts.
Did you know who did Brits support untill 1943??
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Post by Sasha1 on Oct 15, 2004 9:40:16 GMT 1
Whom? Please note that the Brits did not kill Ustasha, they were killid by YU commies.
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Post by Nickie on Oct 15, 2004 21:29:21 GMT 1
Oh,for god's sake people .... When you will learn!? Politics, politics and more politics, can we do anything about it, of course not! We really haven't got a clue of what is happening out there today, we rely on newspapers , news, etc...but how do we know if they are telling the truth? And what the truth is today anyway ? I bet you that most of the daughters and sons from politicans during the war of any country, are all very well looked after and moved to a peacefull country, where? to either America or Switzerland (neutral country), while thousands of young, but not privileged people, die in war. Let's take an example of Sadam Hussein, had a great life, surranded by villas, nice cars,etc... while 80% of it's countrymen were dying or living in a poverty....Thousands of them being killed and did he care, of course he didn't. Do politicans today care ? Of course not! So, for all of you, who would like to have a nice life, I would suggest to forget politics and enjoy your day to day life. Unless of course, you wan't to be an European MP and earn lots of money from normal tax payers (who again can't have they saying of where their money is going to). Bye
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Post by BlueMouse on Nov 5, 2004 15:13:13 GMT 1
uhhh people when somebody is looking from outside , he will always tend to place the truth in middle of two stories he hears that would be ok if "bad guys" didnt learn that rule now , we have a case when somebody tells a true and other one lies and a spectator is placing "the truth" in the middle if you are really interested to see what is right , you must make an research and to use at least your common sense , rather then just listening two opposite versions if anybody is really interested , u can leave me pm and I will be happy to provide you with facts that u can check later from independent sources but , that is what liars are counting on - that nobody will bother to check and will just take story as it is told as a croat , what I read here , makes me feel sick and gives me a good example how our suffer here was seen trough eyes of foreigners that dont have interest in digging deep enough
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Post by kenny on Nov 30, 2004 19:09:57 GMT 1
your wars started because balkans is full of unpleasent thuggish people. you have no decency about you most of the time. no wonder the turks beat u so easily. most people in balkans are a gang of blood thirsty, cut throats who would kill their own people to make it look like the enemy did. the ethnic cleansing was so sick and disguisting. how could you people do these horrible things? its loathsome to thing you balkani people are so wicked. Have you no God? no humanity? no morals? no conscience? absolutely dispicable.
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Post by Guest on Jan 2, 2005 7:21:08 GMT 1
your wars started because balkans is full of unpleasent thuggish people. you have no decency about you most of the time. no wonder the turks beat u so easily. most people in balkans are a gang of blood thirsty, cut throats who would kill their own people to make it look like the enemy did. the ethnic cleansing was so sick and disguisting. how could you people do these horrible things? its loathsome to thing you balkani people are so wicked. Have you no God? no humanity? no morals? no conscience? absolutely dispicable. Right you are ... Can you imagine, we butcher each other just for fun. Not even for oil ... I have 2 front seats in hell waiting for me - want to share ?
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Post by nelg on Jan 3, 2005 14:03:32 GMT 1
.....no...not really...wars start in the Balkans because it is the "melting pot of Europe," it is surrounded by historically powerful nations, it is where religions meet and where races meet. Its incorrect to blame one other nation for the start of any of the wars. About Bleiburg, do not forget that the victims had been fighting for the wrong and losing side. What if the Axis powers had maintained control over Eastern Europe? It would not have been the Brits and Americans who would have suffered then, it would have been the Slavs who were seen as inferior and only fit for moving to Siberia.
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Post by j on Jan 5, 2005 6:34:43 GMT 1
dobar dan...
unless the fiery blood of the balkans runs in your veins... you will never understand our kind....
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Post by big G on Jan 5, 2005 7:27:22 GMT 1
true.......that's the problem then.......how can anything be solved if no one undertands the people who live there. Wars can start through misuderstanding, its a bit feeble to just make the excuse that its in my blood to burn down your village...huh dude! Anyone can fire a gun, even a child.
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Post by j on Jan 6, 2005 6:09:08 GMT 1
hello..
indeed that is the problem... people who do not understand...
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Post by Sue on Feb 17, 2005 17:41:51 GMT 1
hey Kenny gr8 point, its only the balkans that can be inhumane toward each other eh! Do me a favour and buy a history book or maybe read the newspapers, remember Aushwitz, Mi Lai, Dresden, Hiroshima, we can go on... and on.... and on. Thank heavens for Empires and road building and institutes and factories, if memory serves me right it was thanks to the romans for showing us what a well organised nation state can acheive, yes they built roads but they also murdered Christ
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Post by Loveu2 on Feb 17, 2005 18:48:50 GMT 1
your wars started because balkans is full of unpleasent thuggish people. you have no decency about you most of the time. no wonder the turks beat u so easily. most people in balkans are a gang of blood thirsty, cut throats who would kill their own people to make it look like the enemy did. the ethnic cleansing was so sick and disguisting. how could you people do these horrible things? its loathsome to thing you balkani people are so wicked. Have you no God? no humanity? no morals? no conscience? absolutely dispicable. Are you kidding? Look around the world. American & British Soldiers are torturing Iraqi prisoners. They are doing disgusting sexual things and taking pictures. Look at the UN. in the Congo, they are raping women and children. They are using children for pedophile .,.,.,.,.,.,.ography. Look in the Sudan, genocide! Vietnam, women and children were raped and tortured. I guess that is not dispicable? The best one....AMERICAN INDIANS....hmmm I guess you don't mind that white settlers raped, tortured, massacared millions of peace, earth loving indians! OPEN YOUR EYES! Don't be ignorant. You have a computer put it to use instead of playing video games read some history...... I will start you off. Read about the Death marches, you probably never even heard about this. www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/yugoslav-hist1.htmThen when you read that. Please continue your education and you will see that MANKIND HAS BEEN HORRIBLE! not just a few countries, the world has particpated in EVIL at one time or another!
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Post by Ghost Writer on May 9, 2005 21:52:03 GMT 1
I agree!
Alot of people don't know their history and should really read more about the people that occupie this earth.
It is sad but alot of people just don't know things about their world.
They only know about what surrounds their immediate home and they often don't know about that either.
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Post by valiant 1 on May 9, 2005 22:32:22 GMT 1
croats should be nice to eachother. they only come together when they are being attacked.
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Post by CroatianSerbAbroad on May 12, 2005 23:05:09 GMT 1
What a ridiculous post by Kenny, why does someone like that even bother writing a post? If you look at the complexity of the region, cultures, religion and historic influences then you can start to understand. How is Northern Ireland any different?, look at South Africa during appartheid, Iraq today?, how can you say we are cut throats in the region?
As nations, and by this i mean Croatians, Bosnians, Serbians - normal people have suffered so much, ordinary people who have only ever sought what was best for them and their families - these are not cut throats!, bad apples exist everywhere, ours have just dragged us into lots of pain.
Valiant, i disagree with your last post, Croatians should not just always be nice to each other, Croatian Serbs tried that in the last was with Serbians and look where it got us!!, thats not going to happen again!.
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