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Post by middle of the road on Nov 17, 2004 17:01:36 GMT 1
What do y'all make of the Milan Gurovic tatto issue?
I think there are double standards here
discuss.....
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Post by Valleycat on Nov 18, 2004 8:25:18 GMT 1
Out of country. . . what is this all about? Can you fill me in?
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Post by Shannon on Nov 18, 2004 13:30:56 GMT 1
From what I understand (and I don't follow basketball, so I"m not sure about how players bounce around from team to team, country to country) is this:
Milan Gurovic is being banned from playing in a game in Croatia because of a visible tatoo on his left arm, which depicts the WW2 fighter Mihajlovic, who was allied with the fascists in Croatia resposible for the execution of a large number of Croatians. Serbians see Mihajlovic as a national hero.
For one, I think it was a provocative move even putting such a tatoo on his arm, and is probably meant to stir up nationalist feelings at home, and tension abroad, which is really the last things this region needs, considering the last decade where nationalistic tendencies caused so much bloodshed. I think if his intention is to cause trouble, then he should at least have to cover it up.
Of course, as we all know, celebrities are becomingly increasingly well known for their public displays of political affection (take the US Hollywood bores with their constant posturing on issues from Isreal and Iraq to the Euro) and I"m not surprised. He probably is taking a leaf from their book, to get attention. Ignore him might be the best bet, but I guess it's too late now that Croatia has already made a fuss about it.
Middle of the Road, what do you think? Why do you think it's a double standard?
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Post by Middle of the road on Nov 19, 2004 9:45:02 GMT 1
Shannon,
Slight correction there, Mihajlovic fought with the allies against the fascists in WW2. Sure there were slaughters on both sides.
It's just funny that in Croatia there are roads named after members of the Ustasa regime (Mile Budak for example). So why dont they get their own house in order before correcting others.....
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Post by BlueMouse on Nov 19, 2004 16:34:43 GMT 1
and why dont u clean ur yard in serbia , before looking in next yard ? about draza mihajlovic - he was not with fascists nor with allies he and his cetniks were only truying the very same as slobodan milosevic , to slaughter croatians and create "great serbia"
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Post by Shannon on Nov 23, 2004 9:34:58 GMT 1
I've been reading a few different biographies of Mihajlovic on the web, and they all say something different! I guess it depends on who is writing the bio.
The newspaper article I read said he was allied with the fascists, other web bios say he was independent or allied with the Allies, others say he was in league with communists but then turned against them, and was later murdered by the Communists. Some say freedom fighter, some say murderer, responsible for some untold number of unncessary civilian deaths.
"One country's hero is another's war criminal". Still goes on today, and gets carried from one generation to another. This is how wars start....
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Post by myth buster on Dec 1, 2004 22:13:04 GMT 1
Shannon,
No matter what propaganda Ustasa or Communists might spew, there is no denying that Draza was honored in 1944 by U.S. President Harry S. Truman with the Legion of Merit award for helping save the lives of dozens of U.S. airman who had been downed by Nazis over the Balkans.
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Post by Dalmatinac on Dec 3, 2004 13:56:04 GMT 1
Good Point BlueMouse, but then our neighbours wouldn't be who they are if they did not pay attention to everybody elses issues
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Post by zrc on Dec 7, 2004 23:17:43 GMT 1
draza mihajlovic was not a fasist or cetnick etc... he was a democrat.
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Post by Muhamed on Jan 10, 2005 8:20:12 GMT 1
How is it possible to praise murderers like Draza as heroes. He and his chetnics are responsible for tens od thousands od deaths across Bosnia and Sandjak alone. It seems that unfortunately Serbian people are indoctrinated throughout history and can't get rid of ideologies that admire genocide murder as their highest ideals. A similar situation is with Croatians as well. I am not trying to generalize here but it is the fact that war crimes were commited and thousands of inocent muslim CIVILIANS were killed on behalf of Chetnic and Ustasha ideologies. But, it seems that when muslims are murdered u don't care. What kind of people are those who praise the Christ who had LOVE as the highest ideal, but SUPPORT killing of innocent people whose only sin was because they thought and believed differently???
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Post by Guest on Jan 10, 2005 9:54:17 GMT 1
Muhamed, It has nothing to do with Muslim or Christian, to be honest. It's all about nationalistic ideas, about ethic identities (which is odd, since it's not like Croat and Serb are very different ethnically) and the over-celebration of one's culture. Don't take it as an affront against Islam. Those of us who truly want to see the war criminals come to justice are against ANY war criminals,no matter what their religion or ethnicity.
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Post by Ivan Kalic on Jan 13, 2005 0:35:55 GMT 1
To all of you who praise chetnics and mass murderer Mihalovic I wish you feel their "democratic" methods on your own skin.
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Post by Guest on Jan 13, 2005 0:56:47 GMT 1
Muhamed, just to set the record straight, Muslims were also part of the Ustasha movement. I know of at least one case where a Muslim disclosed the fact that a Croatian woman and her two children were harboring a Jew in their home in Sarajevo, and we know the result. I know this is true because I spoke with the man's elderly sister who is now living in Israel.
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Post by LoveU2 on Jan 13, 2005 2:22:47 GMT 1
The list of those bearing the greatest responsibility for the organized genocide over the Croats and Muslim Slavs is as follows:
Dobrica Cosic, of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts, Belgrade, dr Milan Bulajic, Director of the Museum of Victims of Genocide in Belgrade, Slobodan Milosevic, president of the new F.R. Yugoslavia, i.e. Serbia and Montenegro, Blagoje Adzic, Yugoslav Army general, Radovan Karadzic, leader of the Bosnian Serbs, Ratko Mladic, Serbian general in Bosnia, Milan Martic, a policeman from the town of Knin in the occupied region of Croatia (the area has been liberated in August 1995). Vuk Draskovic, whose frequently reedited novel "The knife" represents an appeal to hatred against Muslim Slavs (see [VĂ©ronique Nahoum - Grappe, p. 66]); its French translation has been expurgated from its most provocative passages against Muslims, Zeljko Raznjatovic - Arkan (international criminal wanted by Interpol) and Vojislav Seselj (member of the Serbian Parliament), leaders of paramilitary troops of Tigers and White Eagles respectively, responsible for atrocious war crimes against Croats and Muslim Slavs.
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Post by Confused on Jan 13, 2005 6:17:30 GMT 1
Can anybody explain what is Jasenovac
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