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Post by croam on Sept 19, 2005 23:06:44 GMT 1
"Names on the street? Read the links dude and you will see violent assaults, murders, attempted murders, etc."
***What are you talking about???*** I NEVER WROTE THAT!!!! WHERE IN MY POST DO I EVEN MENTION STREET NAMES? HAHAHAHA. IMBECILE!!!!
d**n!!! It must be tough managing all those different alias' eh? who do you guys work for?(Udba,CIA,KGB,MI6, INTERPOL) I'm going to apply for and take your jobs. Your obviously paid alot more than you are worth. Effing propagandists.
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Post by Kurt on Sept 19, 2005 23:34:12 GMT 1
Croam said:
"i think think its hard to compare to someone calling you a name in the street and being gunned down in Amsterdam"
You are saying that the worst thing happening to Arabs/Muslims in the US is getting called a bad name walking down the street (a claim that I easily refuted). But now you are proclaiming that you never said anything like that? WTF? As you like to say, it's right there in black and white. So read it again if you have forgotten your silly remarks already.
You're a real dimwit. Sigh....
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Post by croam on Sept 20, 2005 4:30:56 GMT 1
Kurt i think your claims of 1000s of muslims attacked in the US would be such a major news story you would have to come up with a good reason why they wouldn't cash into that story. The media are wh*res you know.
Maybe you should have moved to the UK. You can always come back and reinvent yourself as a patriot...which you probably will as soon as Bush is out of office. hahahahahaha..... Check out Sky News' current story: HARMAN: 'UK IS NEXT US'
Britain's black and poor communities could end up like those exposed in New Orleans by Hurricane Katrina, minister Harriet Harman has warned.
Her comments echo those of Trevor Phillips, chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality, who believes the UK must heed the lessons of the catastrophe.
Hundreds of America's poor were left homeless by the disaster which struck Louisiana last month. The majority of them were black.
Constitutional Affairs Minister Ms Harman said: "We don't want to get into a situation like America, but if you look at the figures, we are already looking like America - in London, poor, young and black people don't register to vote."
Ministers fear the failure of many to register is evidence of their disengagement from civic society - in the same way the poor of New Orleans had no power to improve their position.
Latest figures show that 20% of people aged 20 to 24 were not on the electoral register.
On Thursday, Mr Phillips will tell Manchester Council for Community Relations in a speech: "We are a society which, almost without noticing it, is becoming more divided by race and religion.
"Our ordinary schools ... are becoming more exclusive and our universities are starting to become colour-coded with virtual 'whites keep out' signs in some urban institutions."
In an assessment of the UK after the July 7 terror attacks, Mr Phillips said: "We are sleepwalking our way to segregation."
HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES? Your soooo progressive compared to americans.
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Post by davidzg1 on Sept 20, 2005 5:15:55 GMT 1
I fail to see the relevance, I picked up on racism in the US as a negative to highlight how silly your arrogance is. Nobody was building up the uk. The Uk has racism and problems too, not on the scale of USA, but stil big problems, but then nobody was on here saying how the uk is the best place on earth blah blah.
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Post by Kurt on Sept 20, 2005 5:31:12 GMT 1
MY claims? I'm not claiming anything that isn't backed by mountains of evidence. You act as if I am just shooting from the hip with wild accusations. I'm merely pointing out the obvious here - that American is full of hate crime type activity agains Muslims and Arabs, which I put forth when YOU made the absurd claim that this would "never happen in America".
As for the media not reporting hate crimes, I remember a few local news reports about specific events like this when I lived in the US over the last few years. But, generally-speaking, the media is not going to make a big, ongoing issue of this and here's why: frequent reporting on innocent Americans (Arabs/Muslims) getting attacked and murdered in their own country solely for their ethicity or religion would inspire lots of sympathy from the public and thus threaten the public's support of the "War on Terror", which is really a war on brown people who happen to live on top of that delicious oil.
This war, phony as it is, is a money-maker for the media and advances the US govt agenda, and, most importantly, relies heavily on painting all Muslims and Arabs as murderous, violent lunatics, not as innocent victims of violence. So why in the world would the US media, controlled by US elites and whose main job is to preserve the status quo and protect elite interests such as the War on Terror, report on this subject that goes against everything else they "report". It's not the right story.
I seriously doubt that I will be moving back to the US when Bush is gone. The probem is FAR deeper and older than just this clown's act. I think even you can see that.
As for the news article you posted, I really don't understand your point. You make a lot of random, unconnected points that don't seem to have much relevance to anything.
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Post by morning on Sept 20, 2005 9:15:04 GMT 1
Kurt i think your claims of 1000s of muslims attacked in the US would be such a major news story you would have to come up with a good reason why they wouldn't cash into that story. The media are sleepers you know. Maybe you should have moved to the UK. You can always come back and reinvent yourself as a patriot...which you probably will as soon as Bush is out of office. hahahahahaha..... Check out Sky News' current story: HARMAN: 'UK IS NEXT US' Britain's black and poor communities could end up like those exposed in New Orleans by Hurricane Katrina, minister Harriet Harman has warned. Her comments echo those of Trevor Phillips, chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality, who believes the UK must heed the lessons of the catastrophe. Hundreds of America's poor were left homeless by the disaster which struck Louisiana last month. The majority of them were black. Constitutional Affairs Minister Ms Harman said: "We don't want to get into a situation like America, but if you look at the figures, we are already looking like America - in London, poor, young and black people don't register to vote." Ministers fear the failure of many to register is evidence of their disengagement from civic society - in the same way the poor of New Orleans had no power to improve their position. Latest figures show that 20% of people aged 20 to 24 were not on the electoral register. On Thursday, Mr Phillips will tell Manchester Council for Community Relations in a speech: "We are a society which, almost without noticing it, is becoming more divided by race and religion. "Our ordinary schools ... are becoming more exclusive and our universities are starting to become colour-coded with virtual 'whites keep out' signs in some urban institutions." In an assessment of the UK after the July 7 terror attacks, Mr Phillips said: "We are sleepwalking our way to segregation." HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES? Your soooo progressive compared to americans. Actually Croam, if you read this, it is saying we have an issue that is building and that must be resolved, and it is using the USA as an example of what must not happen, a 'worst case scenario'. Being progressive is also about recognising problems and dealing with them, so that we are not faced with the issues that have become institutional in America today.
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Post by gavul on Sept 20, 2005 9:36:04 GMT 1
"Names on the street? Read the links dude and you will see violent assaults, murders, attempted murders, etc." ***What are you talking about???*** I NEVER WROTE THAT!!!! WHERE IN MY POST DO I EVEN MENTION STREET NAMES? HAHAHAHA. IMBECILE!!!! d**n!!! It must be tough managing all those different alias' eh? who do you guys work for?(Udba,CIA,KGB,MI6, INTERPOL) I'm going to apply for and take your jobs. Your obviously paid alot more than you are worth. Effing propagandists. Croam, this is a clear example that you have completly lost it ! I seriously think that you should be taking anti psychotic drugs.You constantly make violent remarks on these forums and you can't keep a debate going without exploding into rage. God forbid that you were ever on a live debate team, you may have bashed all their heads in if it didn't go your way. You cleary said in your post that people were just being called names in the street. Kurt quoted it for you, it's writen above. If you can't get your hands on the ani psychs, then just try a big fat joint and chill the f$#k out man.
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Post by croam on Sept 20, 2005 13:01:02 GMT 1
yeah i dunno why i even got into this one....except check out the title of the thread...
plus.... the article said the UK was "already there" where the US was...almost...not "we need to avoid this" ...so much for progressive.
You guys are f**ked up on here. government propaganda toolz.
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Post by mambo on Sept 20, 2005 13:32:50 GMT 1
I must protest, in fact I must strongly protest !! Since when is Schotland the most violent country ? We, the island of Curacao, have had that honor now for the last few years and we will not accept that anyone takes that away from us. Due to the enormous amount of drugs passing through our little island we have now at least 25,000 persons working in this industry (total inhabitants only 100,000 !!!!) and last year we had 68 murders (all drug related). This meant that our murderrate was by far the highest in the world !!! Luckily the normal citizen does not have to fear a lot, since these lunatics only kill eachother, but at least this accomplishment was something we could be proud off. There is not a lot we can be proud off in the Caribbean, so at least let us have this pleasure. Is this possible So, did Schotland beat us or not
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Post by davidzg1 on Sept 20, 2005 14:18:05 GMT 1
yeah i dunno why i even got into this one....except check out the title of the thread... plus.... the article said the UK was "already there" where the US was...almost...not "we need to avoid this" ...so much for progressive. You guys are ed up on here. government propaganda toolz. Croam, the only person sticking to the government line and refusing to question his or her own country is you. I would suggest you are the tool. Also if you could come and earn the salary I do in Croatia, you would, you said the only reason you don’t move here is for the sake of your career, therefore the idea that you can take my job is a little silly, lets stick to facts.
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Post by New Orleans on Sept 20, 2005 16:57:43 GMT 1
Told you CROAM!
You don't have ghost here, they have to find someone to gang up on.
They keep calling you arrogant. I don't see that. I see that from their side. They act like there precious England is so different from America. It is worse!
Yeah America has it's problems. I can admit that . NEVER will they admit England/Britian have problems!
England has just as much racism as America. Unbelievable, your Tony Blair wants to kick out of Britian any citizen that is muslim that talks bad about Britian. That sounds like discrimination to me?
One idiot that keeps talking about Muslims being targeted by hate crimes in America. Do you know how many whites are targets of crime by other races.
(The Color of Crime, a New Century Foundation study based on federal crime reports, has found significant differences in violent crime rates for different racial and ethnic groups. Blacks, for example, are many times more likely to commit crimes of violence against whites than vice versa. Of the approximately 1,700,000 interracial violent crimes involving blacks and whites reported every year, blacks commit 90 percent and whites commit only ten percent. Blacks are therefore more than 50 times more likely than whites to commit interracial crimes of violence. The differences are even greater for multiple-offender interracial crimes, with blacks 100 to 250 times more likely to be involved in gang attacks on whites than the reverse. Some people may argue that blacks attack whites because they expect them to be carrying cash or valuables. However, fewer than 20 percent of black attacks on whites are robberies; rape and assault do not usually have economic motives. There is more black-on-white violent crime than black-on-black violent crime. When blacks commit violence they attack whites 50 to 55 percent of the time. When whites commit violence they attack blacks only two to three percent of the time. Hate crimes are thought to be the most serious acts of interracial crime, but there were only 9,861 reported in 1997. Of these, 6,981 were race-related and 4,105 were violent. This very small number of crimes receives a disproportionate amount of attention, but it is likely that the millions of ordinary interracial crimes--90 percent of which are committed by blacks against whites--are more damaging to race relations. Although white-on-black hate crimes receive a great deal of attention, blacks are approximately twice as likely to commit hate crimes as whites. Hispanics are considered a victim category for hate crimes but not a perpetrator category. A Mexican who is attacked because of ethnicity is recorded as Hispanic, but if the same Mexican attacks a black or white for racial reasons he is considered white. This inflates the figures for "white" hate crime perpetrators, and gives the impression that Hispanics commit no hate crimes.)
To those that are saying that Europe is multil cultural is a laugh. Yes, europe would like to be but they are not. They are still individual countries with dominant cultures in each one with the exception of Britian being like a wanna be America especially England with its fast food on every corner and high crime rate and london being one of the most expensive city's in the world. I like that Europe has it's individual cultures that are not that mixed. It keeps it interesting. America is a big melting pot that sometimes gets quite boring but there are still alot of great things in America and great people. Both America and Europe whatever country you choose have good points and bad. I don't mind the Bush bashing but the American bashing is just crap. Europeans don't mind crapping on Americans when they are not getting anything but as soon as they need something from us. Golly gee we become the greatest place on earth. Some of the greatest technology has come from America. Especially medical technology, that all you europeans send your doctors here to learn. You are not bashing us then when you need something.
I would also like to know why so many europeans still keep migrating to America? HMMMM? Quite strange when America is suppose to be this horrible place.
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Post by Whats poor on Sept 20, 2005 17:01:33 GMT 1
To the poster that said that if New Orleans was full of rich white folks that this would never had happened.... BULL! There were plenty of Rich White folk in the Gulf (New Orleans). Yes, they now have lost their homes, assets and business. There were also plenty of poor white people that lost everything also. Unfortunately the focus has been on the blacks of New Orleans which I think is very unfair. There are plenty of places where there are poor and they are not black area's.
The following are facts about persons defined as "poor" by the Census Bureau, taken from various government reports:
Forty-six percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio. Seventy-six percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning. Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
##The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.) ##
Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars. Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions. Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception. Seventy-three percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a third have an automatic dishwasher.
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Post by Is this a joke on Sept 20, 2005 17:11:45 GMT 1
I'm not going to read that, my problem is you were arrogant, you have since admitted it, and I have moved on. You now seem to be on some kind of crusade to replace ghost. Arrogant. Let us not talk about arrogance because you would take home the prize for that one. And I don't think he talks anything like Ghost. The problem with this forum is the same ignorant people seem to find the need to hunt someone down that differs in their opinion. It is always the same posters, maybe even the same poster! And to the idiot poster that mentioned people that post under guest names as doing something wrong.... Duhhh you posted under a guest name.
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Post by gavul on Sept 20, 2005 17:22:17 GMT 1
Well, I guess you're refering to me as the idiot. What I said was more along the lines that it would be easier to take you seriously and less likely that you would be accused of being someone else if you actualy registered on the site. I posted that as 'gavul' just as I am doing now. Most people with more than 2 brain cells could figure out that means 'gav' unlogged. I am registered on this site as gav, sometimes I can't be bothered logging in. What's your excuse ?
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Post by croam on Sept 20, 2005 22:46:32 GMT 1
gav r u the street performer?
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