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Post by morning on Sept 13, 2005 18:40:02 GMT 1
"fact is you guys one the series on the back of 2 players Freddy and Pietersen.."
Pietersen had a good knock in the first test at Lords, which England lost, then three tests with very little and one good knock at the Oval, match winning yes, but his effect on the series was not so great. Freddy was not even the top England bowler, Jones was, who only played 4 tests
This England team was exactly that, a team, and a better team than the Aussies, although the margin was small
The Aussie team have been big enough men to admit that, they have played this series with England in the highest traditions of sport, fantastic!!
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Post by davidzg on Sept 13, 2005 19:39:27 GMT 1
One of Pietersen's parents is English, that makes him English in my mind. Sour grapes buddy, we were better for most of the series and deserved the win.
We as fans and our team have a lot of respect for Australian cricket, and we will enjoy this victory over one of the finest teams of all time.
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Post by davidzg on Sept 13, 2005 19:40:09 GMT 1
thanks gs i too found some websites in the meantime (the game seems faaaar too complicated for me.) It may be a little complicated for you, you just need a man to explain it. Like reading a map or parking.
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Post by noddy on Sept 13, 2005 19:52:45 GMT 1
It may be a little complicated for you, you just need a man to explain it. Like reading a map or parking. HO HO HO (i can read the instructions on the package that comes with a ball (or whatever you play it with) ) ;D ;D ;D
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Post by gmh on Sept 13, 2005 19:59:41 GMT 1
perhaps david could teach you cricket, and you could teach him how to use the washing machine or a vacuum cleaner.
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Post by davidzg on Sept 13, 2005 20:06:02 GMT 1
Never, as long as my wife wants to live in the balkans, I shall behave like a balkans man.
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Post by morning on Sept 13, 2005 20:54:07 GMT 1
thanks gs i too found some websites in the meantime (the game seems faaaar too complicated for me.) Cricket is genetic, the rules are passed on in the Y chromosome., try explaining a 5 day game to a non fan, best to start simple, pick up the basics. Sad that Mr Warne won't appear for Aus again in England, he is a true great of this sport, plays hard and fair, and has been the best Aus player in this series by a country mile Been surprised by the level of whinging Aussies, not the team, but some of the Aussie supporters on various message boards, must be hard seeing sport in such a state of decline, be it rugby, cricket, tennis, after the Montreal olympics, Aus got on with the job of becoming sporting giants, and over the last two decades have been, pound for pound, the greatest sporting nation on earth,, this may not be the beginning of the end, it may be the middle of it!!
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Post by morning on Sept 13, 2005 21:03:17 GMT 1
...............it should also be added that England's women's team also won the Ashes, they played the Aus women's team, although if Warne wasn't there, they'd could have had a fair go at the Aus men!!
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Post by gs on Sept 14, 2005 1:50:25 GMT 1
here is an indication of the mood in Australia following the ashes loss... a bit long but worth the read for those who understand the game and... very comical...
I am finding words vrey difficult to put in order this morning so I have a few rambling thoughts I'd like to share with you.
I now know how they must have felt when they set fire to a couple of bails and created the Ashes legend.
I feel like gathering alot of Englishmen, a healthy portion of South Africans and a few upper and middle order Australian batsmen together with Buchannan (Australia's Coach) and his lap top and setting all of the weak pricks alight.
Their ashes could form the base for my rose garden for all I care.
At the very least, this Christmas day when the pasty, physically inferior milk bottles go down to Bondi and in there hundreds scream for help in the thumping 1 foot swell, I'd suggest it wouldn't be a bad thing to let them drown.
And isn't it fantastic to see Matty (dropped the bundle all series) Hayden smiling again??
Like we need to see another fu^&ing Australian making every effort to win the smileathon that has become this Ashes series.
At least Brett was still trying to cause grevious bodily brain damage to that smiling idiot Haggered in the dying hours.
I respect a team that wins well and in honour of that spirit I stayed up to the wee hours of this morning to watch the presentation of the urn.
Imagine my horror when Mark Nicholas in his best Richie Benaud impersonation tries to get a feeling from the English players.
Cue Strauss--oops sorry Souith African ..next --Pieterson--same accent, f&%k, does anyone here even know the words to "Hope and Glory"?
THE COACH, excellent, bugger..... his transval kaffa hating tone is so bad he is actually difficult to understand.
The bowling coach he might be interesting to hear from, except that, you guessed it, he comes from Tasmania, sh&t
The wicket keeper, good Had an aussie twang stronger than Gilly's
Mark by this stage is actually embarrassed enough to ask Errant Jones whether he is English for those wondering at home .."Course mate" he replies "just won the ashes haven't I"
Can anyone tell me exactly where Murwillumbah is in England??, is it near Johannesburg? or perhaps it is near bagend in the Shire where Hoggard and his simple brother sam-wise Gamgee come from.
What a crock of sh%T
Having a tattoo of some girl thingy cats on your arm doesn't make you English, Kev.
And while we are on the issue of presentations , I seem to recall that last time we won over there, Warnie was given a stump and told if he wanted to celebrate he could shake his bum on a milk crate on the verandah.
The FA Cup confetti deluge is a little bit over the top isn't it?
I have to say though, that I now have a better understanding of who Kev draws upon for inspiration.......
It's Michael Jackson,
The hair,
The walk,
His questionable ball skills and that F%^&ING voice......did anyone else hear him speak??
He is certainly biting down very hard on pillows at night is our Kev, little wonder he gets on with Warnie,
Shane would pick up the English Rose's ( drunk slappers) and Kev would get slops--being their heartbroken boyfreinds and husbands.
What a vegemite drilling hoax.
At least the King of Porridge "Sir Freddie" has a wife on the terrace as oppossed to Kev who could only muster at this, his greatest hour a brother who looked right at home with a glass of bubbly talking children issues with players wives.
I feel guttered and you can shove this "it's good for cricket " platitude in your ar%se.
We lost to a team that had Asley Giles in it as a bowling weapon ----FU%K ME
We sent a bunch of spiritless pricks over on a feel good farewell tour.
Well good f^&king bye.
I hope they feel justifiably proud nursing their complimentary orange juice up the pointy end of the plane this morning.
Cause I feel like I've had a big night on rohipnul (date rape drug) and wandered accidently into Kevins room.
I am worried by the fact that given Warnies rate of impregnation that the English bowling stocks will be sensational for the next 35 years.
I guess though on a positive note, I will at least see more than 2 hours sun each day for the next 6 months and 23% of the people I work with will not go postal on me and be diagnosed as clinically depressed by the end of winter.
I don't have to catch a tube and feel like I am going over the top into "no-mans land" every time
I don't have to microwave my beer before I drink it.
I can eat meat without that meat later eating my brain
I don't have to consider Jamie "lovely jubblies" Oliver a countrymen, then again neither do half the team that now hold the Ashes.
I don't have to wear floaties when I swim, and
I don't have a national team that has been built on talent stolen from other countries.
Ricky may come from Tassie but at least he is our little inbred.
The Ashes are no longer................................................I'm sad
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Post by morning on Sept 14, 2005 2:02:40 GMT 1
is that really the best the Aussies can do, at least the ladies won't have to wait for romance now that the ashes is over, they'll once again be able to hear those beautiful words "brace yourself Sheila", apart from the Hoggard and Sam-Wise Gangee bit, that's good, I was thinking Shrek, but this is closer.
seriously though, are you not worried, about sport Aus, once again, losing to the Poms (1 M, Prisoner Of His Majesty), the reaction above is fairly typical, how any teenager would react when he's upset that parents have one up on him!
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Post by gs on Sept 14, 2005 2:26:11 GMT 1
come on admit it it was funny from our perspective .. at least the guy who wrote it takes no prisoners ..his attack was just as scathing on the Aussies as he was on the POMS .. ( I am well aware of what POHM stands for)
I think what is most disturbing here is that it took England (UK) with a population of 60Mil some eighteen years to find 12 worthy opponents to beat Australia whose population is less than 20mil.
And to make matters worse the team that the Pohms finally put together were not all English but a mixture of of Pohms and South Africans ....
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Post by morning on Sept 14, 2005 4:02:53 GMT 1
gotta disagree with you on two points there, firstly, across the English speaking world, there are people of mixed parentage, English father/mother and a local, there are many in Aus/NZ/Canada/SA etc.... for their children, this gives them a choice, they were born in a stable but are they a horse??, and examples of non-Aus born players are out there, maybe not in this series, but if it was right for Aus!!Mixed parentage occurs within the UK, for people of Scottish/Welsh/English parentage etc...many have to choose where their nationality lies. Also, you need to consider that cricket has been in serious decline for many years, fewer people playing, less to choose from, there is a possibility that this will see a resurgence, my feeling is that many of those that saw this series will be disappointed when they see a more 'normal' game, and will soon lose interest, and cricket will return to being a minority sport.
As for the article, yes, I agree, it was good, I won't look at Hoggard in the same way again, Ponting has been called a Hobbit all summer here, and Bell, although he might just as well ashave stayed in the Shire, having to lug his high chair all over the UK for his 2 mins on fame twice weekly hardly seemed worth it.
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Post by gs on Sept 14, 2005 8:35:51 GMT 1
Also, you need to consider that cricket has been in serious decline for many years, fewer people playing, less to choose from, there is a possibility that this will see a resurgence, my feeling is that many of those that saw this series will be disappointed when they see a more 'normal' game, and will soon lose interest, and cricket will return to being a minority sport. are you for real?? from what I saw here of the Broadcast just about every day was a sell out for every test !!! Even when there was the possiblity of a washout one commentator said "its amazing how people have come here to see nothing." One thing is for sure we have taken the Aussies ashes success for granted over the years . I cant wait for the next series in 2006-07 ... the poms have no idea what they are in for and how parochial the local crowds will be here.
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Post by davidzg on Sept 14, 2005 10:44:31 GMT 1
Also, you need to consider that cricket has been in serious decline for many years, fewer people playing, less to choose from, there is a possibility that this will see a resurgence, my feeling is that many of those that saw this series will be disappointed when they see a more 'normal' game, and will soon lose interest, and cricket will return to being a minority sport. are you for real?? from what I saw here of the Broadcast just about every day was a sell out for every test !!! Even when there was the possiblity of a washout one commentator said "its amazing how people have come here to see nothing." One thing is for sure we have taken the Aussies ashes success for granted over the years . I cant wait for the next series in 2006-07 ... the poms have no idea what they are in for and how parochial the local crowds will be here. Gs, the fact that we can sell 30.000 tickets once every 4 years for 5 days against the old enemy does not negate the fact that cricket is unquestionably a minority sport. England versus Australia is a special event in cricket, a lot of history, a lot of respect and a little bit of bitterness from the Australian side. It is the third sport in England, and it comes a long long way behind football.
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Post by morning on Sept 14, 2005 11:12:19 GMT 1
... the poms have no idea what they are in for and how parochial the local crowds will be here. - you seem to be assuming that England have never been to Australia before, and as for parochial, the Aus crowds are babes in arms compared to India - where cricket is king
Cricket has been in serious decline. Worldwide test match attendances and viewing figures have been falling. The problem has been more acute in the UK. In an attempt to boost numbers for cricket in general, 20twenty has been introduced, which is certainly exciting, but it's not a test match
Davidzg is right to place cricket in third. The Ashes is big, but it's a rarity, and don't forget, we knew this England team was good, all the cricket playing world did, only those who have been afflicted with mind-numbing arrogance could have not seen it. Remember, McGrath predicted a whitewash! How better to motivate the opposition. Despite this, the Aus team, and I'll single out Lee and Warne, although all the team were worthy, were great sportsmen, play hard, then get pi**ed with the opposition
I have always had the utmost respect for Aus sport, but the players in this case have been badly letdown by their fans and the vitriol that has been forthcoming following this defeat, it's always uncomfortable to watch people lose with such bad grace, it makes the landing after the fall so much harder!! Maybe it's becoming true that the Australians are the Americans of the commonwealth?
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