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Post by leptira on Oct 26, 2005 21:41:29 GMT 1
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croam
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Post by croam on Oct 28, 2005 3:37:03 GMT 1
i dont live there but it's called "maskare" when they dress up in halloween costumes.
most of the people on this site are disgruntled transplants, not native croats.
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Post by glen on Oct 28, 2005 4:44:44 GMT 1
I don't think there the same Croam. Halloween has its origins in Celtic history and is celebrated around the 1st of November www.historychannel.com/exhibits/halloween/?page=originswhereas the maskare has its origins with the Romans and is connected with Lent. It is a festival that shows people's humility. Halloween is just not as big as an event as in America or even Britain where it originated. cheers
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Post by croam on Oct 28, 2005 21:54:10 GMT 1
i think "maskare" just means dressing up in a costume. i could be wrong.
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Post by leptir on Oct 28, 2005 23:39:26 GMT 1
i think "maskare" just means dressing up in a costume. i could be wrong. interesting... What would you be?
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Post by irac2 on Oct 29, 2005 6:03:33 GMT 1
Glen, you're right about the sentiment but not about the facts. It's a basic celebration that marked the end of the a. Pagan New Year, b. Harvest time, nothing to do with Celts, though those tribes who have origins in certain Eastern European areas would have celebrated as much as we used to do in Ireland. NOwadays it's an excuse to play with fireworks and burn stuff, used to be a decent night and rather a party time, now, well, it's gone commercial.
In England it seems to be mixed with Guy Fawkes, but any excuse to burn a traitor I suppose is good (imagine if it's transplanted to here - would they dig up old Tito and Tudjman's bones and stick them up on a bonfire :-) )
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Post by gavul on Oct 29, 2005 10:30:11 GMT 1
Halloween has only recently come to Croatia. It walks hand in hand with capitalism. You can find numerous halloween partys that happen, and even in vrtic(kindy) they make pumpkin lanterns and masks. The toy shops are fond of promoting the trend. You will now even find some kids who go 'trick or treating' Still not that common though. I expect that one day the shops will be full of chocolate eggs and rabbits at easter time too.
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Post by irac2 on Oct 29, 2005 11:01:46 GMT 1
You've nailed it Gavul, it's the American commercial stuff that's here. There's a special name for it that escapes me, oh, Hallmark Holiday, but please, leave Easter alone, I've missed it so much when away from home, is there nothing better than cracking open a nice chocolate egg and deciding to never eat chocolate again by Easter Monday? Hmm, must remember to stock up when I'm home next, actually, another thing missing here, Selection Boxes, 4 weeks ago in Dublin I saw some for sale in Dunnes, I was too shocked and surprised to buy one, I mean, Christmas chocolates the last week in September, that's really pushing it!
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Post by noddy on Oct 29, 2005 11:31:15 GMT 1
i know people in their 30's that remember haloween festivities in nursery. but, basically, you're right gav, it's a new thing here and it's quite commered. parties are new, pumpkins in shops are new, haven't heard yet for kids going around to 'trick or treat'
as for the easter - in easter time the shops are already full of chocolate eggs, rabbits, little chicken... easter has always been an important holiday here, although less commered than nowadays.
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Post by ROG on Oct 29, 2005 12:01:02 GMT 1
I agree ... as a kid, I was few times going around with - "maskare". But people mostly treated us like we are Jehovah's whitenesses, in best case ... Not some nice experience ...
There was few festivals with traditional "dressing up, dancing and burning ceremonies", but only as attractions for tourists, so they was "rescheduled" in August for commercial reasons.
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Post by noddy on Oct 29, 2005 12:35:31 GMT 1
and a bit more about fasnik (or maskare, karneval, poklade, pust, mesopust...) it is celebrated on tuesday (shrove tuesday, i think) before ash wednesday (which is the beginning of lent), but also in the week(s) before it. the origins can be traced to pre-roman times. it's a combination of pagan festivities that celebrated the end of the winter incorporated in christian tradition. the most distinguished feature for me (apart from masking, street parades in some towns, fireworks etc.) are krafne (some sort of doughnuts). i know you can buy them any day of the year, but i never do. i only have them on shrove tuesday. my mum and my gran used to make them for fasnik when we were kids. and for fasnik, it's a common thing for children to go from house to house (or flat to flat) and they get krafne, or some other sweets, or (nowadays) money.
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Post by z00ey on Oct 29, 2005 15:46:41 GMT 1
fasnik (when people dress up as "maskare") is the same thing as "carnival", "carnaval" or "mardi gras" in new orleans...
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Post by noddy on Oct 29, 2005 16:09:55 GMT 1
the most known carnival in croatia is the one in rijeka, but there are carnivals in other towns as well (kastav, pag, dubrovnik, split...). also fasnik in samobor is quite famous in the area around zagreb.
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Post by carthan81 on Oct 30, 2005 21:31:18 GMT 1
I know in some areas of Croatia the dead are celebrated/remembered on All Saints' Day (Hallowe'en).
The cemetaries are covered in flowers, and in the evening the graves are covered in candles. Spooky.
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Post by noddy on Oct 31, 2005 7:38:53 GMT 1
all saints' day is on november 1st. and everywhere in croatia, as well as in other countries, dead are remembered on that day. like carthan said, people bring flowers and candles to the graves.
it has nothing to do with halloween.
i don't know if you're in zagreb (but, any cemetery will do, really) - try going to the cemetery at dark - all candles are lit, lots of people.... the atmosphere is special. i quite like it. i don't think it's spooky.
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