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Kosovo
Oct 28, 2005 22:36:37 GMT 1
Post by davidzg on Oct 28, 2005 22:36:37 GMT 1
I know, I know this is a Croatian site, but I believe Kosovo is close enough to have a direct effect on Croatia. Yesterday I caught the back end of a report on Kosovo, I 'think' that the suggestion was that Serbia will once again take control of the Kosovo region, but the local judges, police etc will remain a foreign force.
Anybody else here this and is this correct? It certainly matches the rumours I have heard from the American and Un forces in kosovo.
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Kosovo
Oct 29, 2005 10:51:54 GMT 1
Post by gavul on Oct 29, 2005 10:51:54 GMT 1
All I know is that the slovenian president was quoted saying this 2 days ago.
"Everyone in the international community knows that Kosovo will become independent," he said.
The president also added that he has not met anyone who would think otherwise. "The politicians in Serbia know that as well, I just do not know whether they have told that to their people," he stressed.
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Kosovo
Oct 29, 2005 12:00:06 GMT 1
Post by davidzg1 on Oct 29, 2005 12:00:06 GMT 1
All I know is that the slovenian president was quoted saying this 2 days ago. "Everyone in the international community knows that Kosovo will become independent," he said. The president also added that he has not met anyone who would think otherwise. "The politicians in Serbia know that as well, I just do not know whether they have told that to their people," he stressed. Hmmm, that seemed logical to me but everybody in the know in kosovo said it will never happen due to the fears of a greater Albania. Also they don't want to be seen rewarding the local kosovar Albanians who ethnically cleansed the Serbs from the area. I hope it gains Independence, I think it is the only long term solution. That in itself brings new dangers, the Americans especially and also the Europeans are already raping Kosovo of its substantial natural resources.
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Kosovo
Oct 29, 2005 17:10:18 GMT 1
Post by croam on Oct 29, 2005 17:10:18 GMT 1
"the Americans especially and also the Europeans are already raping Kosovo of its substantial natural resources."
I think thats precisely why they let Jugo disintegrate in the first place. I'm sure the CIA had nothing to do with putting Milosevic and Tudjman in power;)... and arming the KLA? hmmmnnnn.
How can they leave it in control of the serbs when serbs are a tiny minority? That would last a day until the Albanians revolted. Kosovo is a big problem. I can't wait to see the "international community" this up, again.
You just gotta love the UN's shananagins. Either thousands are dying under their watchfull eye in "safe zones" or they are slicing up territiories and developing banana republiks, but at the end of the day they are just the bodyguards for multi-national companies that like to set up shop in volatile areas.
It would be as entertaining as a Jerry Bruckheimer film if it wasn't 'reality.'
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Kosovo
Oct 29, 2005 19:16:54 GMT 1
Post by z00ey on Oct 29, 2005 19:16:54 GMT 1
kosovo=cyprus the problem will last at least 20-30 years... then most of the serbs will die or leave the godforbidden place, and it will probably become a 2nd albanian state (riddled with problems of all kinds)
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Kosovo
Oct 29, 2005 23:58:51 GMT 1
Post by davidzg on Oct 29, 2005 23:58:51 GMT 1
kosovo=cyprus the problem will last at least 20-30 years... then most of the serbs will die or leave the godforbidden place, and it will probably become a 2nd albanian state (riddled with problems of all kinds) 20-30 years would seem realistic but for a few things, firstly kosovo cannot wait 30 years, the people will Begin to starve, the local people are paying taxes for UN police. More importantly, the yanks want out within the next 5 years, I can't believe that our modest pond side friends will be happy to leave things half finished. As for it being a godforbidden place, I strongly disagree, I think it has huge potential, the minerals in the hills alone could make that country the Switzerland of the balkans.
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Kosovo
Nov 2, 2005 12:56:27 GMT 1
Post by quest on Nov 2, 2005 12:56:27 GMT 1
Also they don't want to be seen rewarding the local kosovar Albanians who ethnically cleansed the Serbs from the area. What do you mean with "ethnically cleansed"? ps. Ethnic cleansing is a form of genocide. Do you say there was genocide in Kosovo?? People should be careful using new words not knowing what they mean.
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Kosovo
Nov 2, 2005 13:17:30 GMT 1
Post by davidzg1 on Nov 2, 2005 13:17:30 GMT 1
Also they don't want to be seen rewarding the local kosovar Albanians who ethnically cleansed the Serbs from the area. What do you mean with "ethnically cleansed"? ps. Ethnic cleansing is a form of genocide. Do you say there was genocide in Kosovo?? People should be careful using new words not knowing what they mean. The term ethnic cleansing refers to various policies of forcibly removing people of one ethnic group. At one end of the spectrum, it is virtually indistinguishable from forced emigration and population transfer, while at the other it merges with deportation and genocide. At the most general level, however, ethnic cleansing can be understood as the forced expulsion of an "undesirable" population from a given territory due to religious or ethnic discrimination, political, strategic or ideological considerations, or a combination of these. ****************************************** This is exactly what happened, the Serbs and the gypsies were removed or wiped out from certain areas by the Albanian kosovars, often with the help of the usa. I'm not exactly sure what you think happened in kosovo, do you think the albanians sell, please can you leave our serbian and gypsies neighbours, and they all said yes sure.
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Kosovo
Nov 2, 2005 18:23:20 GMT 1
Post by croam on Nov 2, 2005 18:23:20 GMT 1
genocide and ethnic cleansing are two different words with two different meanings. david used them correctly.
genocide:The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.
ethnic cleansing: the systematic displacement of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.
keywords: "displacement" and "extermination".
clearly they are not one and the same.
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Kosovo
Nov 2, 2005 18:37:32 GMT 1
Post by davidzg on Nov 2, 2005 18:37:32 GMT 1
genocide and ethnic cleansing are two different words with two different meanings. david used them correctly. genocide:The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group. ethnic cleansing: the systematic displacement of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group. keywords: "displacement" and "extermination". clearly they are not one and the same. Croam anything about the stars is a direct copy and paste from a dictionary, I never used the word genocide. He did, and he was half right, but he was wrong about the total definition of the term ethnically cleansed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansingWhat I said was 100% correct, people are splitting hairs about nothing and getting it wrong.. I said there was ethnic cleaning in kosovo, and there was, what exactly have I said that isn't true? I would like you two to explain to me, what the term is for the serbs being kicked out of their homes in kosovo, the same as the serbs who were kicked out of their homes in Croatia.
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Kosovo
Nov 2, 2005 19:14:50 GMT 1
Post by Pietro on Nov 2, 2005 19:14:50 GMT 1
What do you mean with "ethnically cleansed"?
ps. Ethnic cleansing is a form of genocide. Do you say there was genocide in Kosovo?? People should be careful using new words not knowing what they mean.
David this does not make sense anyway. You say ethnic cleansing, then he tells you what it means and based on what he says it means, he says what you meant ;D. A kind of Chinese Japanese. I'm surprised, as if anyone in the Balkans really needs a definition of ethnic cleansing. Hatred, terror, death.
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Kosovo
Nov 2, 2005 19:31:57 GMT 1
Post by croam on Nov 2, 2005 19:31:57 GMT 1
actually quest needed an explanation.
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Nov 2, 2005 19:34:27 GMT 1
Post by croam on Nov 2, 2005 19:34:27 GMT 1
"genocide and ethnic cleansing are two different words with two different meanings. david used them correctly."
David: I was agreeing with you. Don't be a retard. This is what gets annoying with people on this site who CANNOT READ.
Jesus christ. reread what i said. you guys aren't that dumb
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Kosovo
Nov 2, 2005 19:34:56 GMT 1
Post by Pietro on Nov 2, 2005 19:34:56 GMT 1
No. He is not asking for an explanation, he is saying david doesn't know what he means.
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Kosovo
Nov 2, 2005 20:58:03 GMT 1
Post by davidzg1 on Nov 2, 2005 20:58:03 GMT 1
"genocide and ethnic cleansing are two different words with two different meanings. david used them correctly." David: I was agreeing with you. Don't be a retard. This is what gets annoying with people on this site who CANNOT READ. Jesus christ. reread what i said. you guys aren't that dumb My apologies. kinda skim read. Now I need to go and take a rest, I am on shock that croam agreed with me on something
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