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Post by gmh on Nov 17, 2005 15:28:18 GMT 1
David, if you call those buildings skyscrapers, then that's just from your perspective. There are only 3 buildings over 90 metres in Zagreb, and I like that fact. You really did just start this thread so you can have a go at every one elses opinion.
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Post by janjohansen on Nov 17, 2005 15:44:31 GMT 1
Hi David
It's clear to me that you already had prejudged other people's opinions when you start your second post with the words:"No, I want to see where the arrogance comes from" and that's even before anyone had given their opinions. Jan
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Post by croam on Nov 17, 2005 20:13:44 GMT 1
there is no way the homeless starving children per capita ratio is higher in Croatia than UK or US or anywhere i can think of for that matter. ALthough social services are sub par, the family unit is much stronger in Croatia than in many cultures. Young people don't get "disowned" as much as they do in other cultures.
Pip used the example of 1 woman, the same woman who dumpster dives food in McDonald's every year with different children. One woman is hardly a scientific sampling of the population.
I'd rather be poor in Croatia than poor in the US any day of the week. I have not spent much time in England at all but from what I've seen of London I'd take being poor, hungry, and homeless in Croatia over just about anywhere that comes to mind and day of the week.
Dave: if you partook of even 20% of the things on my list you would be more cheerfull. Kulen, kruh, i sir is pure bliss. wash it down with some turska kava. mmmm... maybe some figs for breakfast. maybe start doing one fun thing for yourself a day to make it easier. only boring people get bored. when I'm bored I know i'm not doing enough creatively. you can't just focus on your career. go out a few nights a week and drink some pints. watch The Office DVD. If you spent as much time trying to have fun in Croatia as you spend on this board complaining about it then you would be alot happier.
I have to go grill a porkchop now. mnjam.
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Post by glen on Nov 17, 2005 21:08:01 GMT 1
Hello everybody!, as I don't live in croatia I'm not really allowed an opinion! And as I know some Croatians who would like to rent out their very nice properties (subjective), I won't say anymore! ON SECOND THOUGHTS ;D, the reason I mentioned Croatia beating Germany 3-0 in 1998 was because this was a very joyous time. It was the first time a lot of the world had heard of Croatia. Croatians were celebrating in the streets. ~They took an established German team apart. Times were harder then and Croatia still had a ghostly feel about it. I enjoy being in Croatia much more now. So at number 104, I put the FUTURE! The future will be better. ~This is about the good side of Croatia, not living in Croatia~ You have to stick to the subject, otherwise you get marked down. Basic essay technique, is to answer the question. Good points gav.
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Post by noddy on Nov 17, 2005 21:24:47 GMT 1
i can just say - the whole life is a subjective experience, so how could answers in this thread be anything but subjective. david, when you count things that you like/dislike, you think those are objective points, but it's all so subjective. i mean, those may be facts, but the mere fact that you notice exactly those facts and not some other (and of course, there are many other) reflects your subjectivity. i'm not sure i'm being clear. i'm trying to say we all look through our own glasses and everyone sees a different picture. i like croatia - but not for the buildings or even nature (which is certainly beautiful), not for the (let's suppose) good job i have..... all those things i could find elsewhere, even better than here (would be a bit difficult to compete with the nature, though). i like it for the people i know, for the familiarity i feel, because in zagreb every part of the town has some personal meaning to me in my own personal history. the size of the city is just about right for me and every now and then i can bump into someone i know, get surprised a little. but i also know i could easily live elsewhere because i depend on people, not on the country itself. it's all completely subjective. there's nothing objective i can say that is good about croatia or zagreb. something i might list as positive someone will perceive as negative or will compare it to some personal experience that beats this one. like when someone says the criminal rates are low - that's great for someone coming from new york (just an example), but there are places in the world where criminal rates are even lower. it all depends on people's previous personal experiences, what they compare life here to. and of course, it depends on their personal situations at the moment - they tend to colour the glasses one looks through. one may like it or dislike it; decide to adapt, accept things, or just keep being frustrated; move out or stay; try to change things or go with the flow.................. possibilities are many..... but the decision just like perception is always subjective. (and now don't anybody dare tell me i'm being cryptic )
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Post by glen on Nov 17, 2005 22:05:13 GMT 1
yes noddy, its keeping a philosophical approach. When I first went to Croatia it was like a new love, then I too began to hate it, then I thought "hold on matey boy, learn the Croatian way, understand it, and respect it".
It doesn't mean everything is right, it means working with what's already there and has been there for centuries.
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Post by noddy on Nov 17, 2005 22:20:02 GMT 1
well, you can't say it's only and just philosophical. i did say something concrete too, didn't i? but yes, i agree with your attitude btw, why nk pula?
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Post by glen on Nov 17, 2005 22:29:53 GMT 1
...its concrete! I mean stone! The arena I mean, why do you call yourself noddy, noddy?
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Post by noddy on Nov 17, 2005 22:38:23 GMT 1
you'd really like to know, eh?
why do you think an englishman's for life, not just for christmas?
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Post by glen on Nov 17, 2005 22:45:56 GMT 1
well if one steals your heart, remember that you may never get it back.........
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Post by noddy on Nov 17, 2005 22:53:31 GMT 1
ha, ha, i'm not sure i should get into this conv, too much to say on the subject....
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Post by glen on Nov 17, 2005 23:00:51 GMT 1
ahhh...I read you like an open book
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Post by noddy on Nov 17, 2005 23:02:36 GMT 1
ha ha ha, i'll let you believe that
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Post by glen on Nov 17, 2005 23:14:33 GMT 1
believe me, I know, but like everything on here, who knows what to believe, it's the twilight zone
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Post by davidzg on Nov 18, 2005 0:50:14 GMT 1
there is no way the homeless starving children per capita ratio is higher in Croatia than UK or US or anywhere i can think of for that matter. ALthough social services are sub par, the family unit is much stronger in Croatia than in many cultures. Young people don't get "disowned" as much as they do in other cultures. Pip used the example of 1 woman, the same woman who dumpster dives food in McDonald's every year with different children. One woman is hardly a scientific sampling of the population. I'd rather be poor in Croatia than poor in the US any day of the week. I have not spent much time in England at all but from what I've seen of London I'd take being poor, hungry, and homeless in Croatia over just about anywhere that comes to mind and day of the week. Dave: if you partook of even 20% of the things on my list you would be more cheerfull. Kulen, kruh, i sir is pure bliss. wash it down with some turska kava. mmmm... maybe some figs for breakfast. maybe start doing one fun thing for yourself a day to make it easier. only boring people get bored. when I'm bored I know i'm not doing enough creatively. you can't just focus on your career. go out a few nights a week and drink some pints. watch The Office DVD. If you spent as much time trying to have fun in Croatia as you spend on this board complaining about it then you would be alot happier. I have to go grill a porkchop now. mnjam. Croam, there are more homeless per capita in Croatia than in England, and I don't want to see some stats that prove otherwise, stats in Croatia are worthless. I can see with my eyes, beggars are everywhere. Don't compare the uk with us, in the uk we take care of our needy. Nobody in England will be homeless unless they mess up or run away.
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