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Post by Ribaric on Jul 14, 2009 15:48:13 GMT 1
Ribaric, you do not know what are you talking about! OK Boris. You win. It's time for me to move on.
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Post by Carol on Jul 14, 2009 19:28:05 GMT 1
well, I agree with you ribaric.... it is a really bad idea to try to do something like this by remote control. (You get the remote but no control and after that it is just luck in finding someone who will behave honourably for a total stranger)
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Post by BrankoL on Jul 15, 2009 10:18:37 GMT 1
Far, far more Croats were defrauded by foreigners in property deals than the other way round. I remember a few years back over 100 Croats bought time share in Spain and lost all their money. The company was British.
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Post by Sasha on Jul 15, 2009 11:57:23 GMT 1
My friend lost 7,000 Euros. He was promised 3 to 4,000 Euros income over the next 20 years, of course it was all fraud.
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Post by Sasha on Jul 15, 2009 12:02:09 GMT 1
Carol, you are in a real estate business, please, please tell us how many foreigners, you know, were defrauded by Croats?
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Post by Sasha on Jul 15, 2009 16:01:00 GMT 1
You are avoiding my question: how many foreigners lost all their money, most likely nobody!
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Post by orangemango on Jul 15, 2009 16:15:01 GMT 1
I strongly agree with estelle about taking great care!
Let's start at the beginning. Assuming your wife has citizenship & you have agreed on a purchase price for buying the family land, your first step, obviously, is to get the property transferred 100% into your wifes name from the previous owners. (Note: Before any of this check out if the land in question is in a building zone. In recently years on our island the whole island was re-zoned and if your land falls in a green zone then you cannot build anything - just use it for activities/recreational purposes).
Secondly, you will need to apply for a Gradjevinska dozvola (Permit to Build) (note: do not apply for a Location Permit (Lokacijska dozvola) as you will still need to apply for Graðevinksa Dozvola later and doing both just wastes time and money). Although this may have changed now to only gradevinksa – ask the architect.
We have waited quite some time to get all this (years in fact) due to a dodgy architect and unreliable family members. Note: No one in Croatia does anything for nothing – not even family - so if you use your family member then I would def pay them something to do all this running around for you... if you are finding that things are just not getting done then you know your family member is taking you for a ride.
The above can all be done without you physically being here... but how quickly is another question. You will need to decide between the Tim guy and your family member.
As for the building part – it's a long process before even getting to that stage but I would highly advise you are here for at least some part of it (if not all). I have heard some real horror stories - crooked tiling in a whole dining room/kitchen - incorrect tiles and curtains being delivered simply because the company ran out of the tiles/curtains that were ordered (forget getting a refund too - you'll prob get a credit note to buy other tiles/curtains) - rubbish from previous jobs being placed between cybrok walls!!
My dad is due to retire within the next 6 months and I'm trying to get him over here to oversee the building process for our place. I recommend you do the same if you can wait that long. Then you can deal with the issues and make the right decisions – would hate to have to see you taking down walls when you come here to retire.
In terms of selecting an architect. Make sure they are qualified. Get examples of their past work to see if you like their style. The guy we used just replicated the plans for past projects and amended it to suit what meters we had to use. I would even go as far as getting someone where you live now to put together a draft version of what you want and then giving that to an architect here and telling them to make that – and if they say no then go to the next architect(wish we had done that). Don't think it's necessarily important that your architect is on Korèula, in Split or Dubrovnik – it will just mean your family member might not be willing to help as much if they have to travel to see the architect (if you decide to get them to do the work for you).
Time frame to build (what I am told) for a 3 level house (say 125sqm per floor) including interiors, key in hand is about 8 months. This is of course assuming everything goes relatively smoothly and someone is there everday watching things.
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Post by Sasha on Jul 15, 2009 16:34:13 GMT 1
Good advice orangemango!
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Post by hravathouse on Jul 17, 2009 14:22:47 GMT 1
Thanks to all for their comments, especially orangemango. We now have the katastral map for the land and an urban plan map for Racisce, and the land is in a buildable zone, so next on the agenda is trying to reach a suitable agreement on price with the relatives which fits in our overall budget. I expect that if that works we will follow a plan much like that proposed by orangemango. Thanks again, Frank
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Post by zvekov on Jul 23, 2009 14:41:34 GMT 1
Rascisce ...Reallly really take care In your purchase contract insist any payment to seller conditional on getting final building permit. We are in a recession and as there are hardly any buyers about this should be a breeze... then you may have a chance to discover the real complexities of what you aim to do... building is a breeze... even if you have to do it yourself.. Paperwork is the real challenge... I had to register just to explain these things to you. Anyone will profess they can do this or thatr for you. The real challenge is the guy at local municipal level responsible for all your permits never makes this offer.
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