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Post by crojoe on Jan 24, 2010 6:24:54 GMT 1
Take a trip to Bulgaria or Romania as EU countries, and you'll see we'll still have things to talk about once Croatia joins the EU.
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Post by Madgolfer on Jan 24, 2010 10:20:15 GMT 1
We have friends in Portugal, Spain and France, who all tell the same sort of horrer stories, no different to us in Croland at the moment.
Its just the pain we all have to go through, its just part of the "experience" and "excitement" of the adventure.
The benefits will become evident in the future and one day it will all seem like a distant memory (LOL) ;D
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Post by ray51 on Jan 24, 2010 17:08:15 GMT 1
Akshuelly , unbeknown to the most : the Party Has Been well and truly Over , for some years now ! The Failure of of the so-called social-democracies , of the EU , as much as of the U.K. , Germany , HR...which all become nothing but insulting examples of Opportunism , abuse by the coalitions of ( frequently : unelected ! ) gov't elites and The Big Business , while presenting such models under the mask of humanism and care for the less-fortunate amongst us ! Every major party in politics : in it , first and foremost , for their own interests and gains , in the total absence of any ideology/plan/solution that anyone sensible could still believe and/or support ! And the creation of The Best Job in the World : The Spin Doctor , who already has a complete , audited final report on what might yet be currently going on now , or in the future , or indeed : not at all ? Cheers , Best of Luck , we'll all need much more of that , from now on !
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Post by ray51 on Jan 24, 2010 17:10:13 GMT 1
P.S. Even the better-read amongs us , might just as well revert to the 2 of Gerge Orwell's best known books , that'll do The Trick !
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Post by mambo on Jan 24, 2010 17:24:55 GMT 1
This week the city council of Amsterdam FINALLY admitted they were wrong when they decided to start construction of the North-South line for the underground. Although all the experts had told them NOT to do it and most of the citizens of Amsterdam had told them they did not WANT it.............the city council pushed through and wasted 3 billion euro.
Then they tried to spin it in every which way they could until they ran out of options and only this week they gave the reason. Maybe they had been wrong, but they took the decision because........................they wanted it so badly.
That my friends cost the city of Amsterdam (and thus the tax payer) 3 billion euro.
And that is also how it is in most political arena's Many things are done, even when all experts say no, when citizens say no and when all logic says no. Politicians however are so deaf and blind to any form of criticism that they proof what Stephen Colbert also told George Bush: 'This man will believer on Wednesday what he believed on Monday.................no matter what happened on Tuesday'.
The EU will not benefit from the addition of all these third world countries and neither will these countries. In the end the EU will collapse due to endless bureaucracy, but not a single person will dare to pull the plug..............because they want it so badly. Which politician is going to pull the plug on a system which makes him rich and makes him look important ?
Not a single one and that is the sad truth.
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Post by janjohansen on Jan 24, 2010 19:50:28 GMT 1
Yeah, the party started badly, but hopefully the party goers will eventually sober up.
Does anyone have an alternative to the EU???...
If the EU collapses (with all its current flaws) as some think it will do, I doubt that the situation in Europe will be more stable; financially, security wise, military wise etc. with each country on its own and a dog eat dog mentality which such a collapse will encourage.
In the absence of an alternative, it’s probably better to keep baling out water from the leaking lifeboat till somebody navigates it ashore and get it repaired than jumping overboard in mid ocean.
Critique without an alternative is like an alcoholic cursing the only landlord in the only pub in the village.
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Post by mambo on Jan 25, 2010 1:22:57 GMT 1
@ Jan,
The most sensible alternative would have been to have 2 or 3 EU regions. Those regions would have their own parliament, own rules etc and cooperation between the regions could be on levels they would decide upon themselves.
To me this is the only alternative to this monstrous EU we are having now, an EU so big, so divers with completely different interests that it cannot function anymore.
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Post by 3lions on Jan 25, 2010 11:48:36 GMT 1
daft, that's just creating more bureaucracy. The EU has to think about competing with places like China and India.
Post EU entry, Croatia is still going to have a shed load of problems. It won't solve Croatia's woeful court proceedings for example but it's better than a kick in the nuts.
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Post by ray51 on Jan 25, 2010 11:50:24 GMT 1
No , Mambo : your new President , van Rompuy , would love to see it bigger even and with much more powers and controls , to the ( unelected ) elites of penpushers and corrupt macchiavelists ! ( The actual opinions of EU's population , on this , or any other matters : should always be ignored , in anycase ! ) To this goal , much more money is required , to finance the ever-increasing bureaucratic staff , organisation , machinery and waste ; but , don't worry , they are working on it !
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Post by 3lions on Jan 25, 2010 11:55:47 GMT 1
this is all daft, I mean personally I would rather be ruled by a Belgium than a Croat any day of the year for about 2000 years.
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Post by ray51 on Jan 25, 2010 12:07:12 GMT 1
Typically : myself , too ! but here we are on about a special ET , with a mission ; beware of the zealots and died-in-the-wool , mission-obsessed maniacs !!! ( and so say all of us , here , in the Capital of the EU ! )
As for the "benefits" of Croatia joining the EU , one only needs to look at Hungary , next door ; and the only person I've ever heard of liking anything about Roumania is called Jeremy Clarkson , now that should suffice !
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Post by 3lions on Jan 25, 2010 12:59:03 GMT 1
...enough said, I can't stand him
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Post by Nick on Jan 25, 2010 15:33:25 GMT 1
There are many Caribbean Islands that can offer so much more than Croatia, and NO EU to be seen. I personally also like being able to actually catch fish in the sea and the average 30 degrees everyday is much more appealing than winter in Croatia. On the downside though, the wind can blow somewhat, infact it can make a bura look like a little breeze.
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Post by mambo on Jan 25, 2010 17:10:31 GMT 1
If you stay in the South of the Caribbean or don't go in August, September or October you will be fine. But indeed, 28 degrees sea water temperature, 30 - 35 degrees outside air temperature, nice breeze of 15 - 25 kts coming from the east............makes it nice living.
One negative part though...........if you like skiing then it may be a bit of a problem, there is not a lot of snow in the Caribbean !
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Post by ray51 on Jan 25, 2010 17:24:55 GMT 1
Back to the original message : sorry for everyone , incl. yours truly , the undersigned ; this party definitively is over ; as per late Winston , it's now clearly blood , sweat'n'tears everyday , from now on in the "EU" , big firms closing down production day after day , 3.800 jobs lost at VW in Anderlecht a few months' ago , another 2.800+ est. at Opel , Antwerpen last week ! The production all moving to cheaper bases , eastwardly ( NO , HRvatska has NIL chance , on such scores ! ) and only moving to those with lesser sot-imposed taxes and contributions ; it's not very much better in Germany , either ; although , they command an obvious advantage , in design and know-how , for now ; when that's all gone to China , then Indonesia , India , Malaysia and suchlike remote ( cheapo-for-production ) parts , what are the Balkans' and east EUro-countries going to do ? Revert to cows'n'sheep and subsistence farming ? O.K. ! But who will pay for the Sabor , the hundreds of HR-foreign embassies , the costs of NATO and of EU-parliament and the costs of all those new laws ( and all that jazz )
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