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Post by Carol on Sept 14, 2014 7:30:51 GMT 1
What are people in Croatia saying about Scottish independence? The vote is next Thursday (18th) and the polls are putting it at around 49/51 against.
Do they see similarities with the breakup of Yugoslavia? Are they even a tiny bit interested?
I am Scottish but I don't get a vote as I live in England. If I did I would put a thick black cross in the no, thanks box!
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Post by Carol on Sept 16, 2014 22:14:22 GMT 1
2 days to go. Then i will be like a croat left behind in Belgrade the day after Croatia declared independence. Except I don't anticipate being ethnically cleansed!
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Post by fidobsa on Sept 17, 2014 17:03:20 GMT 1
A lot of them probably think that Scotland is part of England anyway! I personally think everyone in UK should get a vote on this, as it will affect them all if bits of the country are broken off and given away.
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Post by crojoe on Sept 17, 2014 17:58:49 GMT 1
2 days to go. Then i will be like a croat left behind in Belgrade the day after Croatia declared independence. Except I don't anticipate being ethnically cleansed! It's all a bit strange, more a Scottish initiative then a British one. Most British people interviewed (who are not big business men, bankers or in government) all say the same thing ... let them leave. Maybe it will be like Czech and Slovakia... Peaceful separation? Did anyone else do it without blood shed.. Croats, Bosnia's and Serbs (and Slovenia for 9 days) sure didn't? The UK is already a bit like the Schengen state, so if Scotland do want to become a separate country then we can just have our own version of the EU. It will mean Scotland has all the nukes and London has the key. Big subject is OIL (as always), as Scotland again has a lot of wells/pumps in their area, but then they are all owned by BP. Lets just hope things stay peaceful or we might be seeking asylum on the Continent.... I know my first port of call.
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Post by swordfish on Sept 18, 2014 8:15:47 GMT 1
What are people in Croatia saying about Scottish independence? The vote is next Thursday (18th) and the polls are putting it at around 49/51 against. Do they see similarities with the breakup of Yugoslavia? Are they even a tiny bit interested? I am Scottish but I don't get a vote as I live in England. If I did I would put a thick black cross in the no, thanks box! Interesting. If a yes vote Scotland will be independant non EU member hence will they need visa's for Croatia same as Russia now; what happens if they own property in their own name? I bet the government here haven't considered this.
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Post by fidobsa on Sept 18, 2014 16:18:34 GMT 1
They have until March 2016 to apply and join the EU and that is the plan, they will become the 29th EU member country.
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Post by Carol on Sept 18, 2014 21:03:48 GMT 1
It took croatia 8 years to join the EU, having been told it should be able to join quickly! No way will Scotland manage it in 18 months, especially as it won't even be an independent country during that time.
Spain and Belgium aren't that keen to encourage succession nor reward countries who do it (if EU membership could be considered a reward!). Ironically rUK would have to give their approval too as a member state.
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Post by Carol on Sept 19, 2014 9:22:22 GMT 1
It was a vote against independence. Hurrah! I really did not fancy being a foreigner again.
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Post by Ribaric on Sept 19, 2014 9:32:07 GMT 1
It was a vote against independence. Hurrah! I really did not fancy being a foreigner again. UDI for Glasgow then? I feel the SNP wasted a rare opportunity by focussing on the emotional stuff rather than having much of a clue as to why independence would be good for anyone other than the new ruling elite. I would've found it difficult to vote 'YES' on the grounds of ... Yes for what exactly?
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Post by Carol on Sept 19, 2014 17:41:40 GMT 1
I think it was a vote for the spirit of Braveheart. It was genuinely without substance. They'd over-promised what could be achieved.
Apparently, Scotland was going to simultaneously transform into a world leading oil producer, a sot paradise, a business haven and brigadoon. EU membership on favourable terms was assured, rUk would be obliged to enter into a currency union with Scotland, they would share embassies with rUK, there would be no need for any kind of army/ defence, the NHS would be world leading, education would be free for everyone and poverty would end. The English were to supply Scotland's blood banks and be its organ donors (for free of course). The BBC would give its Scottish studios away and offer free use of all its future programs made at rUk's expense.
Alex Salmond has resigned now and the westminster politicans are clarifying by what they meant in their Devomax offer - a reduction in Scotland's political influence, it seems.
The one thing all sides did right IMO (even though it stung me personally) was not give a say to us Scots living outside Scotland. I learned why this was a bad idea when I lived in Croatia.
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Post by Ribaric on Sept 19, 2014 18:00:07 GMT 1
Wot Carol said. Maybe the English can get their own national parliament now?
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Post by fidobsa on Sept 20, 2014 19:51:02 GMT 1
I don't think you can compare Scotland joining the EU with Croatia joining the EU. In Scotland, laws etc had already been brought into line with EU requirements, so there was a lot less legal work needed to split one EU member country into 2 EU member countries.
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Post by Carol on Sept 22, 2014 12:00:59 GMT 1
No, you are right.. there are differences between Croatia and Scotland. In 2005, Croatia was an independent country with laws and practices which were often quite different from the EU's rules.
Scotland has obviously been part of a complaint state since 1973, but it wouldn't have been an independent country until 2016. How would Spain and Belgium have felt about approving Scotland's EU membership when asked for their individual approval?
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Post by prkbrk on Sept 22, 2014 12:19:32 GMT 1
No, you are right.. there are differences between Croatia and Scotland. In 2005, Croatia was an independent country with laws and practices which were often quite different from the EU's rules. Scotland has obviously been part of a complaint state since 1973, but it wouldn't have been an independent country until 2016. How would Spain and Belgium have felt about approving Scotland's EU membership when asked for their individual approval? Where is the like button when you need it A tremendous waste of money and a paralyzed Scotland for the best part of the last year- all to massage one man's ego- all he has done is split the nation......
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Post by fidobsa on Sept 24, 2014 9:51:42 GMT 1
The "like" button is next to the "Quote" button. I read that as "compliant state" but perhaps Carol meant that Brits are a bunch of moaners! One aspect that had not occurred to me is that currency experts were predicting a collapse of the GB pound if the no voters had won. This could have impacted on expats who have pensions etc from UK but live in other countries.
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