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Post by TO Anja on Aug 10, 2004 4:02:51 GMT 1
Dear Anja,
I have been reading many threads in this forum and have found your point about how no one was ever charged for Hirosima and other crimes around the world and yet how the interrnational community is so quick to charge people of balkan nationalities for their alleged crimes. It is a very smart and interseting point you make and I agree with you.
However , Having a good knowledge of the situation in the balkans (past and present) I was shocked to read your post where you said "I feel Albanians are fighting for the same thing as Croats once did, freedom from Serbia.."
This is hypocrisy and a double standard... If you can say that Albanians want freedom from Serbia (By the way, Kosovo is a part of Serbia!!) Then you may as well say that "Serbs in Krajina wanted freedom from Croatia"
Since when you think of it, Serbs wanted Krajina (a land which legally was a part of Croatia, and how Albanians want Kosovo (a land legally a part of Serbia) it is the same thing....
Your statement would have make more sence if you said "Albanians in Kosovo are fighting for the same thing as Serbs in Krajina" and that Croats were fighting serbs for the same reasons serbs were fighting albanians (However it is different in some ways)
It is hypocritacly for you to think it is okay for Albanians to fight for land which doesnt belong to them as " Only wanting freedom from Serbia" and on the other hand saying " It was not okay for serbs to fight for Krajina to become their land"
You have showed a true double standard with your statement...
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TO Anja
Aug 10, 2004 11:00:17 GMT 1
Post by Osman on Aug 10, 2004 11:00:17 GMT 1
Re: Kosova
Kosovo was part of the Turkish Empire until 1912, and 99% of the population was Albanian or Muslim. When the Serbs got control of Kosova, they forcibly started to evicted Albanians and Muslims from there and over 2 million of them had to emigrate to Turkey (from 1921 to 1939). Serbian families were brought in and given free land and money to stay there. Now again almost 90% of the population of Kosova is Albanian and Muslim and they are entitled to be in charge of their own destiny and not ruled by the Serbs.
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TO Anja
Aug 10, 2004 15:54:59 GMT 1
Post by Couger on Aug 10, 2004 15:54:59 GMT 1
Im not Serb nor Albanian nor Croat
That story is just the way Albanians know it. Serbs have a completely different story than that, I am sure that each one may have some truth to it, however niether can be 100% accurate.
Lets not forget that during the Kosovo war,it wasnt Albanians who were ethnicaly cleansed, otherwise there would be no Albanians in Kosovo (especially when you think of the grand size of the Yugoslav army at that time (before bombings)
From what I hear the vast majority of Kosovo (90%) is now albanian (which wasnt the case before NATO) It does not take a scientist to have to realize that Serbs were ethniclally cleansed from Kosovo on a large scale (However I am sure that the Serb Army did kill some civilians during the war, but not to the scale of what was done by Albanians)
Lets not even get into the March 17 violence, which was ethnic cleansing once again...
I hope Albanians and Serbs can work this out, since they seem to be at a deadlock... No point in more violence, it seems that dividing Kosovo is really the only way.
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TO Anja
Aug 10, 2004 17:00:38 GMT 1
Post by Proud UK on Aug 10, 2004 17:00:38 GMT 1
Hey albanian
stop stealing other peoples land,, Uk will never allow you to have a Greater Albanian You people need help
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TO Anja
Aug 11, 2004 20:28:51 GMT 1
Post by Culchie on Aug 11, 2004 20:28:51 GMT 1
Proud UK
Without being disrespectful, the UK are in no position to take the high moral ground and preach to others about 'stealing other people's land'.
Culchie
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TO Anja
Aug 11, 2004 23:41:22 GMT 1
Post by Proud Uk on Aug 11, 2004 23:41:22 GMT 1
I speak on behalf of myself and I way I see it. I never said anything about agreeing with the way Uk is governed.
If you want to start a topic about Uk politics start a new thread, and I will be happy to give you my opinion. We are talking about something else here.
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TO Anja
Aug 15, 2004 20:06:53 GMT 1
Post by Vinas on Aug 15, 2004 20:06:53 GMT 1
Good point,, it is definetly a double standard
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TO Anja
Aug 15, 2004 22:00:09 GMT 1
Post by Anna on Aug 15, 2004 22:00:09 GMT 1
No personal insults, please! It's perfectly possible to state your arguments without getting personal.
P.S. "To Anja"/"Cougar"/"Proud UK"/"Vinas", please stop posting under so many aliases.
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Post by Couger on Aug 16, 2004 2:09:05 GMT 1
It is a public computer,,,there are many users
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Post by Anja on Aug 16, 2004 9:41:19 GMT 1
Dear Anja, I have been reading many threads in this forum and have found your point about how no one was ever charged for Hirosima and other crimes around the world and yet how the interrnational community is so quick to charge people of balkan nationalities for their alleged crimes. It is a very smart and interseting point you make and I agree with you. However , Having a good knowledge of the situation in the balkans (past and present) I was shocked to read your post where you said "I feel Albanians are fighting for the same thing as Croats once did, freedom from Serbia.." This is hypocrisy and a double standard... If you can say that Albanians want freedom from Serbia (By the way, Kosovo is a part of Serbia!!) Then you may as well say that "Serbs in Krajina wanted freedom from Croatia" Since when you think of it, Serbs wanted Krajina (a land which legally was a part of Croatia, and how Albanians want Kosovo (a land legally a part of Serbia) it is the same thing.... Your statement would have make more sence if you said "Albanians in Kosovo are fighting for the same thing as Serbs in Krajina" and that Croats were fighting serbs for the same reasons serbs were fighting albanians (However it is different in some ways) It is hypocritacly for you to think it is okay for Albanians to fight for land which doesnt belong to them as " Only wanting freedom from Serbia" and on the other hand saying " It was not okay for serbs to fight for Krajina to become their land" You have showed a true double standard with your statement... Sorry I just noticed this thread now. I suppose it is only one person ( under different names) asking me a question and I ma happy to answer: Ex Yugoslavia was Serb dominated in politics, Army and government matters, there were main state institutions where Croats same as Albanians generally felt they did not have enough rights or power when 'big decisions' were made. It is not good for any multinational country to have rights of one or more nations suppressed. Regarding Krajina and Serbs in Croatia, I believe this situation is in 'good hands' Serbs have a proportional rights to vote and are members of government as any other citizens in Croatia now.
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TO Anja
Aug 16, 2004 18:20:11 GMT 1
Post by Postit on Aug 16, 2004 18:20:11 GMT 1
Ex Yugoslavia was Serb dominated in politics, Army and government matters Where do you get this information? Did the croatian media propaganda say this? Although I totally disagree with that statement do you forget the Yuga was ruled by a croat for over 30 years whos right hand man was a slovene. Perhaps serbs finally wanted to have some power. 2) I do agree with you that the situation in Krajina has improved that doesnt mean its 100% perfect. Just a few weeks ago a serb man had his restaurant (which was being built) attacked and completely demoslished, with the purputrators saying no serbs are welcome in croatia and threanting to do the same to others.
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TO Anja
Aug 16, 2004 20:26:09 GMT 1
Post by Posit on Aug 16, 2004 20:26:09 GMT 1
With all due respect Anja... Have you totally forgoten history? Tito granted Albanians (kosovo that is) AUTONOMY! Which is just a few steps away from self-governence. And look at what that has led to in serbia today..... Albanians in Yugoslavia were treated better than in Albania!
If Croatia is so kind and decent to its minorites, why dont (or did not) Croatia grant Krajina (or whatever the area is called in Croatia) full autonomy?
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TO Anja
Aug 18, 2004 20:23:12 GMT 1
Post by Anja on Aug 18, 2004 20:23:12 GMT 1
With all due respect Anja... Have you totally forgoten history? Tito granted Albanians (kosovo that is) AUTONOMY! Which is just a few steps away from self-governence. And look at what that has led to in serbia today..... Albanians in Yugoslavia were treated better than in Albania! This is true but this was untill the moment Slobodan Milosevic CHANGED the law and has written off the authonomy rights. If Croatia is so kind and decent to its minorites, why dont (or did not) Croatia grant Krajina (or whatever the area is called in Croatia) full autonomy? Number of Albanians in Kosovo doesn't match number of Serbs in Krajina
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TO Anja
Aug 18, 2004 20:34:21 GMT 1
Post by To Anja on Aug 18, 2004 20:34:21 GMT 1
1) What slobo did taking away autonomy was perfectly legal and normal, the fact tito gave them autonmomy (and vojvodina) is one things that led to the bad situation(s) in Serbia
2) Croatia could have given autonomy to krajina before it kicked out/killed all the serbs.
3) If tito was smart he should have just made yuga one republik, their would be less problems (in my opinion)
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TO Anja
Aug 18, 2004 20:38:23 GMT 1
Post by Anja on Aug 18, 2004 20:38:23 GMT 1
Where do you get this information? Did the croatian media propaganda say this? Croatian media propaganda? I did not know this existed ;D I do not need propaganda, I have my own eyes. Army members and their family in Formwe Yugoslavia have lived a very luxurious life style. In every three army officers two were Serbs. Same with company directors and corrupted government clan from Belgrade .. And all was paid from the taxes out of pockets of ALL citizens. This is not right, is it? For one party to rule a country for 45 years .. Maybe some other party would do better but they did not have a chance. I sell properties in Croatia now. I am very surprised to see how many holiday homes on Adriatic Yugo Army memebers had. All Serbs. They were getting government loans very easily while little people in Croatia worked and paid taxes for it. They never knew these types of loans existed. One of these developmemnts is Borici ( Stari Grad) Hvar.. What a luxury development once it was.. I do not think any society structure should have these types of privileges and this is definitely wrong. Good it has been changed. And if you want to call it propaganda I can show you some real numbers. With all respect.
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