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Post by Shannon on Nov 25, 2004 9:24:11 GMT 1
Chris, If you really want to understand more about long past and recent history here, I can recommend some good reads. I'm currently reading "The Fall of Yugoslavia" by Misha Glenny, a journalist who traveled around the entire region during the whole of the war. It explains, with a somewhat more middle ground view and less emotion, the origins of the conflict. Except for the Muslim issue, very little is about religion, and even the slaughter of Muslims was more about land, power, and age old animosities, not a debate over religion.
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Post by Croat on Jan 2, 2005 2:57:10 GMT 1
Nothing wrong with removing Serbians from our country. Think of it as payback for 60 years of repression and terror-ruling during your makeshift Yugoslavia. We bitchslapped you in 1995, be mindful it will happen again the next time you get funny thoughts about your "Great Serbia".
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Post by LoveU2 on Jan 7, 2005 6:11:02 GMT 1
Nothing wrong with removing Serbians from our country. Think of it as payback for 60 years of repression and terror-ruling during your makeshift Yugoslavia. We bit*chslapped you in 1995, be mindful it will happen again the next time you get funny thoughts about your "Great Serbia". I have to say this one is good!!!! hehehe
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Post by Pete on Jan 9, 2005 15:25:18 GMT 1
Being new to this forum, I've only just read through this thread. If I erase the words "Croat" and "Serb" and replace them with "republican" and "loyalist" - it seems to follow my experience of the Irish condition. I don't know so much about the former Yugo story but I do know about Ireland. One pervasive truism exists: Those who cannot forget/forgive/rationalise the past, on either side, will condemn that land to everlasting conflict. Is this not so of Serbia and Croatia? I know unspeakable things were done but none approach the WW2 scale and Germany now sits at the top table, how did that happen? Is theirs the model to follow?
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Post by pacificstar on Jan 9, 2005 16:49:50 GMT 1
Hey Pete are you in Ireland now?
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Post by Pete on Jan 9, 2005 17:30:42 GMT 1
What happened there? no message??? I'll get the hang of this one day. No, I live in Varazdin now, have done for a couple of years. P
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Post by me on Jan 13, 2005 2:57:24 GMT 1
i saw what was happening in croatia with my own eyes, i know the internet is full of lies and you cant believe anyone on the net, but when you see tracers passing your car, and a bus full of people leaving an area and being stopped by the JNA or Chetniks or Partizans or whatever they were and each person being escorted into the bushes and not returning and when you pull out an aussie passport and let you drive away, you realise how violent this war was.
i was 12 i didnt need tv i didnt need newspapers, all i needed was to see what i saw. i dont know much about what happened in august 1995 but i do remember thinking that i was going to be considered a Croat or Bosnian corps weeks later on the news.
after we managed to escape the area, God knows how, we passed a church and i thought God saved that church untill i saw all it was, was a shop front, the walls were gone the dome on the roof on the floor in 3 pieces.
we got to zagreb and as i stood under a man on a horse with a sword i thought to myself when did all this happen, why did no one know this was going to happen. a nun then approached me and said something in Croatian and gave me rosary beads i offered her some money, she smiled and walked away.
i feel alot for all people in that war, but the side i saw, there is one nation at fault..... Luckily for them their leader Milosevich is on trial....
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Post by ivan on Jan 14, 2005 6:33:50 GMT 1
dobar dan...
croat and u2... you have a new friend in canada....
misha glenny is a serb.... that says it all.....
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Post by LoveU2 on Jan 14, 2005 9:10:24 GMT 1
i saw what was happening in croatia with my own eyes, i know the internet is full of lies and you cant believe anyone on the net, but when you see tracers passing your car, and a bus full of people leaving an area and being stopped by the JNA or Chetniks or Partizans or whatever they were and each person being escorted into the bushes and not returning and when you pull out an aussie passport and let you drive away, you realise how violent this war was. i was 12 i didnt need tv i didnt need newspapers, all i needed was to see what i saw. i dont know much about what happened in august 1995 but i do remember thinking that i was going to be considered a Croat or Bosnian corps weeks later on the news. after we managed to escape the area, God knows how, we passed a church and i thought God saved that church untill i saw all it was, was a shop front, the walls were gone the dome on the roof on the floor in 3 pieces. we got to zagreb and as i stood under a man on a horse with a sword i thought to myself when did all this happen, why did no one know this was going to happen. a nun then approached me and said something in Croatian and gave me rosary beads i offered her some money, she smiled and walked away. i feel alot for all people in that war, but the side i saw, there is one nation at fault..... Luckily for them their leader Milosevich is on trial.... I feel for you. My husband was a little older than you in the war and he also saw ugly things. I think both sides did awful things to each other but I believe Serbs did a hell of a lot more wrong then Croatians! I think the thing that pissed me off most about the serbs was that their orthodox priests influenced their people to go to war.... I always thought that priests would talk about peace not encourage their men to war. I will never forget seeing a orthodox priest on T.V. in favor of war and killing Croatians... that is EVIL!
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Post by LoveU2 on Jan 14, 2005 9:23:39 GMT 1
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Post by Guest on Jan 14, 2005 15:23:47 GMT 1
LoveU2 Perhaps because some people who live and visit Croatia also visit Serbia, perhaps for business? Are you so fanatically anti-Serb that peope who live in Croatia arent allowed to have contact with Serbia?
Plus, message boards need money from advertising. Not a hard concept to understand.
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Post by BuBa on Jan 14, 2005 20:17:50 GMT 1
LoveU2 Perhaps because some people who live and visit Croatia also visit Serbia, perhaps for business? Are you so fanatically anti-Serb that peope who live in Croatia arent allowed to have contact with Serbia? Plus, message boards need money from advertising. Not a hard concept to understand. It would be better to advertise other Countries, not Serbia.
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Post by Croat34 on Jan 20, 2005 1:32:55 GMT 1
I agree with you when you said "Tito was Croatian/Slovene and made sure Slovenia and Croatia would have the better economies. He purposly developed theirs more than Serbia. If it wasnt for Yugoslavia Cro would be 3rd world country." It is true!!! svugrek, grow up and read the history books. You mean Serbs history books ... LOL...
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Post by SadCroat on Jan 20, 2005 1:39:26 GMT 1
am reading this all and cannot help thinking how somebody from aside can only think how 2 tribes are arguing over same issue over and over frankly , croatian side lack materials and arguments published over the world and over the web to prove their stand typical foreigner can only believe that truth is somewhere in the middle , because that typical one will not waste time and effort to dig for a truth I only hope that people from outside wont think that visiting croatia is dangerous and risky war was in Croatia, not Serbia...Dubrovnik, Vukovar, Zadar, Sibenik, Karlovac, Zagreb etc. are Croatian cities and Serbs attack them...or maybe we invade Belgrade??? I dont remember...I was busy at the time defending my homeland.
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Post by EMIZ on Jan 20, 2005 3:44:38 GMT 1
Although Belgrade certianly held all the power, it does seem to me that Slovenia benefited most from Yugoslaia, then Croatian and then Serbia, I do not profess to be an expert in this subject, that us just an observation.
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