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Post by barba Jere on May 9, 2005 20:00:44 GMT 1
carla del ponte said today
sudionici zločinačkog pothvata su
i drugi pojedinci iz hrvatske vlade, časnici, službenici i namještenici oružanih snaga, obavještajno sigurnosnih službi, specijalne i civilne policije, ali i stranke i dijelova HDZ-a, te općinskih vlasti. To je više od 1.000 ljudi"
criminal exursions (please someone translatses better please)
other individuals from cro government officers officials mebers of armed forces,information forces special and civil police and parties and parts of HDZ and municipal governenace more then 1000 persons.
with one world she claims Croatia raised up in war crima. there are war ciminals all around.
im surew all Croats feel graet after hearing this.
Why we dint just make Slobodan Milosevic president and avoid this justice Carla is selling us.
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Post by valiant 1 on May 9, 2005 23:05:38 GMT 1
i think that its a crime that any political leader can send his or her nation to war without leading them into battle. there are war criminals all over the world. and that is a sad fact. war is stupid.and it should be avoided at all costs. and having a war crimes tribunal after a war , may seem like a good thing but as we can see from todays example of america in iraq. when it comes to war, war crimes tribunals dont mean anything . someone once said that "soldiers dont make good police" does anybody know the difference between a soldier and a policeman???
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Post by Old Guest on May 9, 2005 23:33:58 GMT 1
Well, Carla Del Ponte is in situation where she is completely loosing "orientation", smarter brains then me said that "only thing more dangerous then wound animal is - wound byrocrat).
She "failed" infront of court's council in her definiton of "comanding responsibility", and needed to rewrite accusations in terms of "giving more convincing proves then - political oppinions in general" in Markac, Cermak and Gotovinas case.
Of course, if she had evidences, she will not need "political oppinions" to back up her claims. So to get on time, she is starting to exchange definition of "comanding responsibility" as writen in Courts statut.
Simply said - she is trying to create "political process" about "acousations" to avoid lack of evidences. She feels confortable about such "anti court" (not anti-Croatian) move with trust that EU decided to "hunt Croatia in hell, if needed" because EU accpted her acousations without evidences as "judging material" in political war (now we can openly call it with its real name) with Croatia. Unlike EU, Court and Chief Judge refused her accousations and so far for 3 times returned papers to Del Ponte to "cover acousations with evidences". Obviously Court will do the same, but Carla is using opportunity to use medias and loudly call her EU partners to give her some political help, and save her from complete failure, in which she is obviously runing.
So, it is not a big deal. More interesting things we could see last 2 days on international political scene, which sended clear political messages to Croatia about it's futeure ... But this is not part of same subject ...
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Post by Old Guest on May 9, 2005 23:54:12 GMT 1
Or even more simple ... Carly is screming to EU - " I will go insane because of Chief Judge, USA and Croatia ... and I will drag you in my insanity if you don't do anything about it quickly".
So expect to hear same crap from EU as you was listening before, covered with well known "I have no idea what I am talking about, but I am determined" facial expresions. Buy chips, air-conditioner, something for drink, relax and enjoy ...
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Post by croam on May 10, 2005 3:56:23 GMT 1
i hope carla delponte is tried for conspiring against croatia and violating EU laws...after she loses her job.
This bitches career is over. What a worthless excuse for a human being. A total and complete waste of air. Treba nju baciti u danub gdje nju je mjesto!!!
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Post by Old Guest on May 10, 2005 10:14:59 GMT 1
Croam, there is no need for emotions. Prosecution is just using "political manuevering space" which got open by EU giving Courts prosecution "political credibility" in case of Croatia.
Carla Del Ponte can't convice Court and Chief Judge in her accousations without evidences, but EU disn't asked single question about it.
So, since Gotovina become "political cornerstone" in EU's political judgment credibility - she is trying to backup that part, so she is trying to acouse "whole Croatia" because she knows EU will applaude it ... And at same time she will distract eyes from her failures on Court.
In reality, Gotovina as "case" only exsists in areas of Courts prosecution and EU's political-diplamacy. Infront of Court you have situation in which none of prosecution cases (Gotovina, Markac, Cermak) is accepted by Court's council and/pr Cheief Judge for 3rd time.
It will be stuppid for EU to now agree that they "used courts prosecution for political manipulations, and now they got manipulated too", so we can except more preasure from EU. And since EU already tried everything, and has no millitary, I don't see what we should worry about, and show emotions in this case.
Same manipulations will break in head of both of them very soon, and this is becomeing more and more obvious.
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Post by croam on May 10, 2005 15:12:19 GMT 1
ah old guest...always the voice of reason. its always refreshing to read your posts...i'm glad you didn't disappear...
i get a little emotional sometime but you know whats going on more than i do.
peace.
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Post by valiant 1 on May 10, 2005 22:48:23 GMT 1
if carla knows where ante gotovina is . why doesnt she tell everyone? i think that whoever is behind the war crimes tribunal has chosen carla del ponte to be war crimes prosecutor because she has personal hatred towrds croatia. is she of italian background ? sanader and mesic have to take it easy with the hague and focus on domestic problems. if they continue the way they are now, croatia will be left without anything. and then croatia will be forced to join the eu on its knees out of financial devastation and wihout any sense of national identity at all. by focusing on domestic problems they would strengthen croatias identity and give some hope to the country and its people. like this they are not doing anything positive while the economic and social climate in croatia is getting worse
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Post by star on May 10, 2005 23:56:15 GMT 1
Maybe the EU realized that creating the ICC was a mistake and are now content to let Carla run it into the ground. Too bad innocent people have to suffer as a result.
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Post by croam on May 11, 2005 7:03:56 GMT 1
its time to fire up the gas chamber for carla....
ahahahahahahahahaha
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Post by croam on May 11, 2005 7:04:49 GMT 1
i know that was a bad thing to say, but come on, i know many of you are thinking it...so i said it. f**k her anyway.
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Post by irac on May 11, 2005 13:04:35 GMT 1
the fear, valiant, that if she does release his whereabout it'll collapse the cosy cartel in Zagreb and undermine a nation, it's bad diplomacy. Better to leave the criminals in power and try to get them to clean up the place, but of course they use the respite to further control the place by using an us and them, maybe if she calls in tactical air strikes on Sinj and wipes it out, the othingyryside is okay, but who'd miss the people (joke)
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Post by valiant 1 on May 11, 2005 17:24:43 GMT 1
why sinj?
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