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Post by Westy on Nov 10, 2006 13:38:48 GMT 1
Thanks for the clarification and I apologise for doubting the truth of your statement. I still don't see why Labour getting in was due to the votes cast in Scotland. Surely the reason Labour got in was BECAUSE we have a first past the post system and not PR. You're right, it was down to the fact that we have a 'first past the post' system - what I was initially trying to explain was that you shouldn't judge the people of a country by what it's leaders do, and possibly not the best example I gave was that the English do not have the government the majority of it's voters wanted. I could have added that the French have ended up with the wrong President after initial voter apathy lost them their favourite, Lionel Jospin, and left them with the disasterous choice of Jacques Chirac or Jean-Marie Le Pen, which brought out the slogan "Vote for the crook, not the facsist"! Democracy doesn't always bring the leaders the people actually want.
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Post by capio on Nov 10, 2006 15:02:12 GMT 1
Westy, I was just commeting the frase "it's not fair" saying that many things in life isn't fair. You and Capio took it personaly when I gave UK and Tony Blair as an example. . Not true, I simply found it preposterous.
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Post by funat406 on Jan 28, 2007 17:16:06 GMT 1
Can i put a spin on the initial question. Why dont The british like the British goverment any more. Peodafiles let loose on the streets ,But jail for some one who conspired to eaves drop on prince williams phone calls. So the croatians will have to like the brits there is at least 20 million of them un happy and looking to move,,,,,,
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Post by polly on Jan 28, 2007 20:44:59 GMT 1
Many of us weren't misled we realised from the beginning it was an illegal war and have protested and demonstrated against it from the beginning. However, it seems that 'George knows best'!
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Post by funat406 on Jan 29, 2007 0:32:59 GMT 1
We joined the anti war protest last year in manchester. What a day a seriouse day yet the atmosphere was fun the square at manchester townhall was rammed full of like minded mainly normal folk who were shall we say displeased with george and tonys actions In our name,,,,, The press said therre was 10,000 people there ,No way this was another guise by our goverment to stiffle the interest in the anti war campagne,When i was a younger member of society and Manchester united used to bring home the silver ware The same square was just full and the oficial police figure were 50,000, People in albert square, Amother case of tonys cromies manipulating the figures. We met the evidence gatherers , The video police men, The anti riote squade and the amazing manchester police hellicopters and aeroplane how many times did they need to video my bald patch. All this for a peace march wow tony does have his seceret police force watching us. The war has put the english back in the worlds eyes we are again the poriers of europe Thank you tony in our name,,,,,
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Post by firefly on Jan 30, 2007 22:43:46 GMT 1
Yes, and who do we have to look forward to sorting out the mess that is UK right now? Tories led by WindTurbine Cameron! God help us all.
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Post by polly on Jan 30, 2007 23:27:20 GMT 1
Dark days ahead!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Ribaric on Jan 31, 2007 0:58:03 GMT 1
Sanader, Racan or Cacic for UK Prime Minister. The UK needs an effective, democratic and honest leader. Lukashenko could do a job, Putin maybe? Any recent Italian leader may provide the necessary stewardship. No doubt about it - UK leaders, in or out of government, can't hold a candle to these shining examples.
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Post by gmh on Jan 31, 2007 12:27:14 GMT 1
I'd happily give you John Howard to rule Britain. Can anyone really name a politician they like and trust ?
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Post by Ribaric on Jan 31, 2007 12:39:19 GMT 1
Good point. Does the job attract a certain type or is it the job which makes them into that type? My school years coincided with the education of a couple of subsequent big-shot union leaders, they were both complete idiots and social failures at school, I have no reason believe they ever became anything other than loud-mouthed and powerful idiots and social failures.
Scary is it not?
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Post by gmh on Jan 31, 2007 13:38:36 GMT 1
Certainly is scary. I believe that a lot of people go into politics for power and money. Those who go into it because they actually want to make a better society end up getting pushed out or get changed somewhere along the way.
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Post by polly on Jan 31, 2007 14:00:51 GMT 1
There is a minority who stick to their principles throughout their careers...... an extremely small minority. Most are careerist politicians or ego/power trippers.
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Post by funat406 on Feb 3, 2007 23:36:41 GMT 1
A Name that springs to mind hids parents sused him out from day 1 T B Liar Tony Blair And his drinking partner Sherry Booth Cherry as in drink Booth as small area for private drinking, Yes putin a better choice, Traacking devices coming to our cars next were speeding and parking fines are sent direct from the tracking staition, mmmm what a free country we live in Aleast we wonn the scottish at rugby today roll on the french.
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Post by dazzreef on Jun 19, 2007 7:44:29 GMT 1
Ok , here is a question , HOW MANY ENGLISH ACUALLY LIKE CROATIANS ? Fact about 890 british live in croatia, but over 10,000 croatains live in Britain.
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Post by gary on Jun 19, 2007 12:08:55 GMT 1
I've just read through the posts and was mightily surprised by the amount of vitriol expressed on all sides. Surprised, because in six years I've only encountered a couple of of instances of rudeness or agression because I'm English. However, I'm not English. I'm a Scot, ponosan Skot, from Leith. Croats seem to change their demeanor towards me when they learn this. Not sure why? In some cases they've told me they see a connection between Croatia being under the yoke of Belgrade and Scotland/London. "Braveheart" is one of the most popular films ever in Croatia, is it not? Plus it's never been forgotten that John Major only agreed to recognise the sovereign state of Croatia in return for concessions on the Mastricht treaty from Germany. Also the pressure put on Croatia to capture Gotovina, while Karadzic (sp?) and Mladic are still free, and the granting of asylum to Serb war criminals in England. More personally, my Croatian girlfriends treatment by Immigration on arrival at Birmingham airport was disgraceful. I understand Croatia's feeling that they have been treated badly by the international community, particularly the U.K. (Seen as England) To be honest I think that I've developed a Croatian perspective, although I do try to stay balanced. Because of my job, I can be based anywhere that will have me. I chose Croatia. Anywhere in the EU would've been easier. Croatia because I like the place and the people. It's the only place I've ever been where it dawned on me that "Hmm, I'd like to live here......" It's not perfect, there's things I'm not keen on: Loony drivers, crap police force, crazy beaurocracy, Slavonian food (mummified pig in paprika)and Slavonian music. (Maybe I should move to Dalmacija?) Corruption at all levels. But the plus's outweigh the minus's. Particularly the many times I've been welcomed into strangers homes, and not allowed to leave until I have a full belly, staggering under the effect of Grasevina and rakija!
If I ever did feel bitter about the place or the people, and it's possible that things could change, I'd go. Deal with it and move on. Life's too short. I hope I haven't wound anyone up or re-lit a keyboard war.
It's just my thoughts on the place I'm proud to call home......
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