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Post by crojoe on Jun 13, 2016 17:01:09 GMT 1
Because they fear the unknown and it fills papers. The amount of scaremongering and comments by all sorts for and against make the USA presidential race look like child's play. The main problem in the UK is the intellects don't think we the people can decide for ourselves (which may be the case for some sectors of society). There are people in the UK who are very similar to Americans ... no idea about international matters, how things work, who is who etc. All they care about is two weeks in Ibiza, booze holidays and football (if that's happiness then bring it on ... just hope someone pays the bill). Only 9 more days I believe to go, then relief (we can then get back to worrying about the UK economy, migration, EU partnerships and figuring out what we as a nation can manufacture... and find a buyer for a steel industry.. seeing India said Tata to their UK plants and want to sell them on or mothball them.
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Post by crojoe on Jun 13, 2016 17:17:32 GMT 1
What I find odd about all this financial stuff is that there is a 2 year cooling off period. It's not like on the 23rd the UK closes it's borders to the EU, we start paying import duties etc. I think there is a bit of strategy going on by certain political and financial forces , who in affect want to "encourage" Brits to stick to a European plan. While some UK folks have a sense of nationalism in them (like at football matches and maybe the Queens Birthday), it's the pocket book that determines most outcomes be it political or otherwise. I would say we British don't possess that stiff upper lip resolve of yesteryear anymore. We have become a nation of wimps, blaming others and don't have much of a backbone when it comes to politics or expressing our dissatisfaction (hardly even strike anymore).
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Post by Carol on Jun 13, 2016 18:18:05 GMT 1
latest poll (ICM ? Guardian) puts leave at 5pts ahead - came out after the markets closed.
All the investment bank best " guesses" put the brexit risk at about 30% +/- 5%. I don't know why when the opinion polls all indicate it could go either way.
The funny thing is that i realised today that I don't even know what a Remain flag looks like but I've seen plenty of Leave ones.
There does seem to be an upswing for leave, but it doesn't feel "real". People talk of how they were originally for Remain but have changed their minds following all the project Fear stuff that the Remain group have bombarded us with. Perversely, it seems so unrealistic, they are thinking that Brexit maybe isn't too bad after all. I still think their pencils will hover over the ballot paper on the 23rd and land down on the status quo option though.
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Post by Carol on Jun 14, 2016 9:03:22 GMT 1
Now The Sun newspaper has come out for Brexit. I am not sure that it so much sways popular opinion as reflects it. However, I can't remember a time when it came out for anything (general elections etc) that didn't subsequently succeed.
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Post by prkbrk on Jun 14, 2016 9:16:17 GMT 1
Now The Sun newspaper has come out for Brexit. I am not sure that it so much sways popular opinion as reflects it. However, I can't remember a time when it came out for anything (general elections etc) that didn't subsequently succeed. Well I guess all of Liverpool will now vote to Remain...
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Post by Carol on Jun 14, 2016 10:41:36 GMT 1
The Sun is heavily disliked in Liverpool... in fact they clearly maintain a grudge against it.
Here's some odd facts according to YouGov research: - Conservative voters are more likely to vote out, but the rich are more likely to vote in. - Labour voters are more likely to vote in, but the poor are more likely to vote out. - 3% UKIP supporters are voting for "remain".
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Post by crojoe on Jun 14, 2016 23:11:38 GMT 1
I suggest we give the EU one more chance and say that in 2 years we will re-address the referendum. Although, prior to this referendum the EU dug it's heels and gave no ground to Camerons requests. Just today the EU high court has decided that the UK government can demand to see if dependents and children of EU migrants are resident in the UK, and if not they can withhold child benefits (which amounts to £60 to £150 each month per family with children). It is said between 20,000 to 30,000 Polish families alone send child benefits home. I think the same thing should happen with the NHS... medical insurance cards should be mandatory for all EU citizens.
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Post by crojoe on Jun 14, 2016 23:25:24 GMT 1
It will become stable to some degree once the 23rd passes (right now it's all about the "unknown"). The real truth about the UK economy is we are trillions in debt, as is Italy & Spain. It's all held up with fake promises and digital bank notes. Won't take much to tip it over the edge "in or out", just a bit of international instability!
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Post by Ribaric on Jun 15, 2016 9:26:22 GMT 1
I see the pound slumping again today.....looks like it will lose between 10 & 20% of its value against Euro according to some analysts if Brexit happens....not happy with that at all.. I've instituted my own austerity programme :-(
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Post by Carol on Jun 15, 2016 13:55:52 GMT 1
I'm half-irish and apparently that means that me and my children can get Eire citizenship (which is a bit odd since my connection is with Northern Ireland, but it is what it is). I spent 30 seconds thinking about getting an Irish passport to which I am apparently entitled, but I couldn't think of any benefit, so why bother?
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Post by crojoe on Jun 24, 2016 1:56:09 GMT 1
I'm half-irish and apparently that means that me and my children can get Eire citizenship (which is a bit odd since my connection is with Northern Ireland, but it is what it is). I spent 30 seconds thinking about getting an Irish passport to which I am apparently entitled, but I couldn't think of any benefit, so why bother? Just because a Brexit OUT might happen (I say "might"), UK passport holders will still be able to travel around Europe. There is no way they will just raise barriers to stop British tourists. 3 months in and 3 months out much like before Croatia joined the EU.
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Post by Carol on Jun 25, 2016 14:14:31 GMT 1
Well it happened. To say the British public - particularly the Guardian readers - are not taking it well, would be a big understatement. Being able to go on holiday is really not an issue. No one thought it would be.
I've been trying to think what this means for Croatia though. It seems to me there will definitely be less money for bridges and other capital projects that Croatia was profiting from, but the main issue is what will happen to the EU next? Will it continue and become more closely integrated, as the French would like, or will it start to disintegrate?
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Post by fidobsa on Jun 25, 2016 17:30:19 GMT 1
I think other countries will wait and see how things work out for UK before they decide to leave themselves. The process will take about 2 years so nothing will change overnight (apart from the value of the £).
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Post by crojoe on Jun 25, 2016 23:45:16 GMT 1
This Brexit event was quite bizarre to say the least. Professional analysts and the media got it all wrong, now they are back peddling to try and show the results in a very negative light. Bankers and speculators are once again having a field day (lets see how much Soros will make this time around). I find it odd that so many people forget the "OUT" process can take two years. The EU referendum had a bigger turnout then local general elections, unlike Croatia who went into the EU by a very small voter turnout but won my just a majority. I also find it interesting how un-informed the youth are on the matter, especially the "IN" voters and yes, the "OUT" voters (so much spoon feeding going on). I've been watching the News channels and they are blaming your older generation for voting away their future, but seems many are not familiar with work permits. If they have the skill sets needed, then when the official time it up they will still be able to get jobs abroad, be it with a work permit (just like many of us had to do prior to Croatia joining the EU). On top of that, the percentage of youth that actually move abroad to work is small compared to the overall population (I don't see too many rushing off to Poland, Croatia, France or even Germany except for a few weeks a year for holidays). Then there is the language factor. Most British youth are too lazy to learn another language unlike their EU counterparts so that makes it tougher for them to find employment in the EU. I think things will settle in a matter of weeks, folks will head off for holidays, spend money and the UK papers will have moved onto the next scandal or big news ticket item. Now there is talk of a partition to get another EU referendum vote, but then that could go on for weeks and months by either "loosing" side. One MP is even suggesting parliament annul the referendum and we go back to the way things where ... so much for democracy. It's also sad to see the PC brigade out in force, trying to make it out that the "OUT" voters are racists and anti-migrant. I live abroad and I would not like to see too many foreigners flood Croatia. All the foreigners I know in Croatia all own their own businesses, spets or retired. I am yet to meet one working as a waiter, flipping burgers at Golden Arch (yes, I have seen 2 African students working in a coffee bar). Yes, Spain has people working the summer months but then that's a working holiday. Yes, Ireland has Brits working there, but then they are practically related (share a border). But I would admit there are also many bozo's in the UK that had no clue on what they where voting about (both IN & OUT). www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li7wNTkL-dY
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Post by Carol on Jun 26, 2016 16:32:25 GMT 1
I had someone yesterday become furious with me when I asked why they were talking of having to move back to the UK when they could just get a visa instead. They told me that the visa process is so difficult and I didn't know what I talking about.
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