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Post by croam on Apr 1, 2005 17:36:32 GMT 1
GS I am a film student until december of this year and then i am entertaining several options. I would eventually like to do a few documentaries in several of the former Yugoslav states and narrative films that are unrelated.
I may move to LA to try to act and work in film...but I really want to make my own films independently of Hollywood so I need to make money to do that first.
I used to work as a chef as well and have done electrical work. I may get an embassy job for a few years to save up some money to make my films. We shall see. If i can live in Zagreb with US pay that would be cool. What about you GS? where are you?
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Post by croam on Apr 1, 2005 17:41:34 GMT 1
barbra jare i think your living in a disney universe...
I'm not saying its right but the chances of a Croatian girl's parents accepting a black dude into their family is not very likely. Nothing is impossible but if i get attitude when i go there because I have a dialect and speak at least 95% without a mistake and make only minor ones, what do you think they would think about a black american who doesn't speak at all? The Xenophobia in Croatia is immense. It is also one of the most ethnically and racially pure countries in Europe. Do you live in Orlando in Disney World?? Have they added a Republic of Hrvatska at Epcot centre where they have all of the other countries? If they do then it must be heaven on earth! ;D Barb I used to be an idealist too. Now im a realist/optimist. Wrap your mind around that one for awhile.
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Post by barba Jere on Apr 1, 2005 18:23:14 GMT 1
You didn't ask that question, you asked me about a herzogovina nationalist. Your stories change more than the weather, I thought you were in canada...... If my pretend daughter brought home a pretend black man, I would either like him or hate him, it depends if he is a **** really. If he was a nice guy, what difference does it make? Never been to Canada. you are halucinating. Well as I said lot of normal people would react like this. I dont know what kind of people you guzs meet. I was born in Zagreb and raised here in center. Im sure my parents wouldnt mind if I bring black girl home. I had a friend in fact who had black girlfriend (she was half Cro half African) and his father was happy to have her home. There are noumerous mixed marriages here. I had a girl like that attenting high school with me. Ever heard of Hamed Bangoura? He is succesfull black guy exposed in media.
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Post by EMIZ on Apr 1, 2005 18:55:14 GMT 1
What a crock of šhite, I see black people here about as often as I see rocking horse poo. Mixed marriages, how can that happen? The only non whites I have seen here is Asians (mostly Chinese) and I know they are looked down on by many as nothing more than scum, which is disgraceful, even the people who moved here as economic migrants deserve 100% respect, they are Croatians all over the world who emigrated for a more prosperous life. Croatia has no social support for foreigners and for many Croats so all foreigners that move here are adding to the economy of this country and nobody is taking.
Everybody other than you agrees with me yet you only talk to me, talk to the others, you have some strange ideas about this place.
This is one of the very few threads I took offline with me and I asked a few people; how a typical Croatian father would react if his little pure Croatian princess brought home a black man, the results were as expected.
I only know one black guy in Zagreb, he runs a business here, if you live here you probably know who I am talking about, he sells a very Croatian product; talk to him and ask him how often he has had racist abuse, he told me he receives abuse, monkey chants, calls of go home and even threats and everybody stares at him like he has three heads. The guy is here working hard and making money for himself and the Croatian economy and he is abused.
I have grown up around people of all different races and it really is not an issue to me, I wish the same was true here.
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Post by croam on Apr 1, 2005 20:12:49 GMT 1
i can count on one hand how many black people i saw in Croatia during three weeks of vacation there in 2003 AND 2004 combined from Rijeka down to Dubrovnik. Thats not to say there weren't three or four that i missed. Once again, Croatia is probably the most ethnically and racially pure countries in Europe today.
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Post by leptir on Apr 1, 2005 22:48:22 GMT 1
Well Blackman if it doesn't work out you can always try a mail order bride!!
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Post by GS on Apr 2, 2005 0:40:32 GMT 1
GS I am a film student until december of this year and then i am entertaining several options. I would eventually like to do a few documentaries in several of the former Yugoslav states and narrative films that are unrelated. I may move to LA to try to act and work in film...but I really want to make my own films independently of Hollywood so I need to make money to do that first. I used to work as a chef as well and have done electrical work. I may get an embassy job for a few years to save up some money to make my films. We shall see. If i can live in Zagreb with US pay that would be cool. What about you GS? where are you? Croam, I am in OZ Melbourne (hot today as well ) I have my own broadband business supplying high speed connections to businesses and corporations. We don't sell to the residential user ... too much grief !!! Its going OK as businesses tend not to bit*ch about pricing they just want the connectivity. You used to be a cook lol .. and used to be in the building industry and I am in IT ....go figure. I too wish that I could what I do here but in Croatia. Croatia's telecommunication de-regulation laws from what I have seen and know, have not done enough to encourage competition. Do you know Brenda Bruksic (director Freedom from Despair)? I have been in very close contact with her in recent months.
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Post by croam on Apr 2, 2005 5:06:27 GMT 1
no...i don't know brenda but i watched her film online from beginning to end and really enjoyed it. i think she did a great job. i couldn't believe it when I saw Dennis Kucinich on there....he is a croatian politician in cleveland, ohio where i grew up! I thought she did a great job on the re-enactments and i liked the way she interspersed them with the interviews. I was impressed by how many awards she received from prestigous film festivals as well.
Yeah too bad the system isn't quite there yet. croatia is a young country but it is frustrating for us westerners used to super-capitalism. If i grew up there i probably wouldn't be as annoyed. I just feel bad for the poor people over there who are getting screwed. The health care is terrible, and the jobs are scarce and low paying. The rich people can go to italy to get quality healthcare but most cannot. I am optimistic for the future. I was just hoping it would happen in the next three years but without the EU it won't get better. On the flipside...healthcare in america is declining rapidly and is not what it was 30 years ago when my parents came here. They say its a totally different country now. The economy has changed and is still changing and the quality of life in general has gone down but its still alot better than many places and i don't feel sorry for myself...just anecdotal evidence.
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Post by racism on Apr 8, 2005 2:44:54 GMT 1
Never been to Canada. you are halucinating. Well as I said lot of normal people would react like this. I dont know what kind of people you guzs meet. I was born in Zagreb and raised here in center. Im sure my parents wouldnt mind if I bring black girl home. I had a friend in fact who had black girlfriend (she was half Cro half African) and his father was happy to have her home. There are noumerous mixed marriages here. I had a girl like that attenting high school with me. Ever heard of Hamed Bangoura? He is succesfull black guy exposed in media. I agree with you barb. There are lots of Croatian people that would not mind if there son or daughter came home with a black or serb, whatever as long as their child was happy. I know plenty of people in mixed marriages, some of their families don't mind, some do. So for some of you who don't even live in Croatia to say that all Croatians are racist and would not let their children marry blacks & serbs is ridiculous. There are racists in Croatia but there are racists everywhere. America, Germany, Australia any country you go to there is some element of racism. one more note, when in Split I met a light skinned black man I asked him where he was from in English and in a heavy Croatian accent he said he was Croatian. I felt really stupid that I had asked because I assumed with the dark skin, wide nose and afro hair he was not croatian. Obviously somewhere in his background someone must have married a black person. I guess I should never judge a book by its cover.
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Post by irac on Apr 8, 2005 8:11:27 GMT 1
racism, you seem to get the wrong idea with it. In your post you sum up the prejudice perfectly then perpetuate it with your over elaborate description. Furthermore, why in Croatia do people constantly deflect from problems here. They will always say "Oh, it's far worse in Serbia, Bosnia, etc etc". The levels of racism in Croatia go far beyond colour, and instead of racism it should really be labelled stupidity or ignorance. Next time you visit Croatia, and especially in Dalmatia, ask some questions about the feeling on Bosnian settlers, and you might be unpleasantly surprised to hear the words "animals", "pigs" etc used in conjunction with them. Instead of shifting blame elsewhere Croatians need to start fixing their attitudes at home, because in the next 5-10 years there's going to be a heck of a lot more different peoples landing in!
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Post by croam on Apr 8, 2005 8:29:21 GMT 1
racism... first of all... you post anonymous, then you shout racism and then admit that you did a racist thing by asking a light skinned black man where he was from and being surprised that he was croatian.
Look, there are black people in Croatia... just not alot. So if there are barely any...then you are merely speculating that you know ALOT of croat fathers who would welcome a black man into the family. This is preposterous. This is still an issue all over the world....where blacks and whites live side by side and in harmony, or even in disharmony, but how could it be possible where they barely exist??? So these people are into it for novelties sake? Thats ridiculous. Your just another IDEALIST...who sees the world as you want to see it. I'm not racist for pointing out the facts, and niether is anyone else on this board. But you aren't doing the gentleman who inquired about this issue a favor by telling him "oh yeah...croats are very accepting...go to croatia and try to meet some croatian women"... ..id have to deal with alot of crap myself if i went over as a speaker and croat by blood. Croatian culture is very close nit. They think people who live 15km in croatia are "stranci". I wish i could go back to viewing the world through rose colored glasses but i dont like to live with my head in the sand. It doesn't help change either by ignoring the cold hard facts. This dude may very well have luck in croatia. Hell, i may have luck with the black honey's in Atlanta if he invites me down to visit. ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. I just know the stakes are low for both of us. Eto, tako je.
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Post by Dawn on Apr 8, 2005 14:41:37 GMT 1
Croam: A question-would a croatian man be able to marry and American woman if all his family was to remain in Croatia and he was to come here? Is the society so close knit that it would not be accepted?
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Post by croam on Apr 8, 2005 16:07:07 GMT 1
ummmm... the way you phrased your question makes it irrelevant to the original question posted by blackman from Atlanta.
croatians are white so your rebuttal doesn't work.
and america has huge populations representative of most cultures and races...very much unlike croatia. this isn't a negative post about croatia...so please don't be so quick to yell "fire" when there is none. This man asked a serious question and wanted a general answer as there are no hard and fast rules. i don't see how any reasonable person could perceive anything else from what i said. i was carefull how i phrased my thoughts. What do you think Dawn? Do you disagree with me?
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Post by croam on Apr 8, 2005 16:10:05 GMT 1
oh and the reason why its like that because croatia was cut off from the rest of the world for a long time so its not the croats "fault". its no ones fault. its not the fault of africans that there aren't alot of croats in Africa. Thats just the way its been so far. Things are changing.
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Post by Dawn on Apr 8, 2005 16:30:11 GMT 1
Croam: ask a simple question, get a complicated answer! I also sense a bit of anger that goes beyond 'standing up for/defending Croatia'. Anyway...interracial relationships can be hard to accept in many cultures. You are correct in stating that the US has a large and very diverse population and therefore we might be/and probably should be more accepting. But your comment that Croatians are very close knit and can hold prejudice against fellow Croatians that live in a different part of their own country is not something I was aware of. Prejudice exists everywhere-it is an uncomfortable fact. But-is Croatian society ready to expand-'join the rest of the world'? Are parents open to letting their young people explore, grow, change, evolve? Change is hard but necessary. So-what do you think, Croam? The original question (to paraphrase) was along the lines of...'do you think that a black man would have a chance with a white Croatian woman? Would that be accepted in their society?' My question tried to expand on that/another view...'would a Croatian male be able to leave Croatia to be with an American female (of any race) or would society disapprove of it'. Let me know what you think.
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