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Post by janskov on Sept 23, 2005 22:59:11 GMT 1
Anna – this forum used to be interesting and informative and it seems to be disintegrating into a chat room for frustrated an immature people who should go elsewhere to find a meaning with their life.
Please do something about it. I think there are still a few of us who would like to have a serious and credible place to communicate about “Visit Croatia” and would like to see this as a place where we can help newcomers to come to appreciate Croatia.
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Post by mambo on Sept 24, 2005 12:38:10 GMT 1
Croatia has a lot to offer and can be beautiful in many ways, but Croatia also has its dark sides and those dark sides prohibit it from making any progress.
On a message board of Croatia it should be possible to recognize those shortcomings and talk about it. Or do we want to sweet talk eachother and just keep telling everyone how beautiful the weather can be, how crystal clear the water is etc ?
For all that it is worth, most of the sweet talkers either don't live in Croatia or have left the country for better places. Most of the 'not so sweet talkers' actually live in Croatia, have to deal with the negative points on a day to day basis. Janskov complains about the people who are frustrated and immature, because they complain about what is going on in Croatia. And this he posts from ....................Copenhagen.
Do I need to say more ?
Closing our eyes for the shortcomings of Croatia does not help the country in any way.
Or is it the idea to change this messageboard in a campingguide ?
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Post by croam on Sept 24, 2005 18:02:19 GMT 1
well seeing that its a visit croatia sight and not a "bitch about croatia" site...OR a "ex pats in croatia" site.... OR a "i hate america site" or a "i hate croatia site" or a "i hate war...george bush....capitalism site"
then maybe people should stick to the facts when they aren't on the debate and discussion thread.
People want practical advice, NOT "good ready to get ripped off. if your over 25 good luck making friends unless you buy them"
all subjective crap that has no relevance at all....just cheap therapy for people to vent their frustrations.
Anna, do whatever the **** you want with the site.
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Post by gmh on Sept 24, 2005 18:32:49 GMT 1
Come on Croam, you've expressed your personal opinions and relayed your own experiences here, so why shouldn't anyone else. I think that pure facts are actually quite useless to people who want to know what it might be like to live here. I think that they want to hear different peoples opinions, so they can then construct their own opinion based on the information they choose to regard, or disregard. ps. lately there has been little to no swearing on the site, lets try and keep it that way. Those days are over here hopefully.
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Post by davidzg on Sept 24, 2005 19:02:18 GMT 1
Jasnkov your post is silly; if you want to read something interesting, write something interesting.
You don't have to read threads that don't interest you.
If there is something that interests you start a thread about it and others that are interested will join in, it's not the moderator’s job to decide what the topic is.
Ooo Btw if it what others write has such a huge impact on you that you're distressed, I suggest you seek help, cheers.
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Post by janskov on Sept 24, 2005 19:19:51 GMT 1
.. See what I mean! Direct personal attack. - and Carpe Diem in profile.
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Post by gmh on Sept 24, 2005 19:39:26 GMT 1
hmm, some how I can't see the personal attack in what david said. Have you forgotten the words you used yourself in your first post on this thread, I believe you broadly labeled people on these boards as frustrated imature people. That sounds like more of a personal attack to me. Try not to be so frustrated from now on.
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Post by Anna on Sept 24, 2005 20:24:14 GMT 1
Janskov, I'm sorry that you feel that way about these boards. I suppose much of the problem lies in that this forum has expanded since it started just over two years ago - back then, it was just the two travel and travel news boards. Not much scope for going off-topic. Moreover, not much scope for arguing or debating! So I suppose some of the fault lies in the fact that I created new boards that apparently promote such discussions. I mean, I only created the "Visit Croatia Off Topic" board because too many threads kept completely changing from the subject matter. (Incidentally, that board is the "Off-Topic" section of the Visit Croatia forum...items there don't necessarily have to have anything to do with Croatia.) Maybe the forum's name isn't appropriate anymore, what with the new boards? I guess not everyone has to read all threads in every board (just me ), it is just the case that the off-topic and debate boards are currently considerably busier than the travel ones. I've been looking at a Forum-Building Forum (if that makes sense) today for tips on a possible way to proceed. One suggestion was to ban all political discussions. IMO, some of the fault also lies with the way certain people respond in some instances. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Doesn't really cover what to do if they're nasty to you in the first place... In a private email yesterday, someone offered some content to me (I presume with a link back) but did so by insulting my existing content! Initial reaction was to either write back with a similar insult, or write back and tell him off. Haven't done either, and not sure if I will write at all. Boo to him. Anyways, some possibilities: 1) Have two (three) separate forums, one for travel/property, another for everything else - tricky, because it's not possible! Well, only by creating a completely new second forum and deleting all existing off-topic content. 2) Require everyone to register for ALL boards, except maybe the travel one. 3) There's a feature on these boards that I could turn on, that would allow members to rate each other's posts. This might be interesting...but I would think that this might cause more problems then solve anything. I guess some other things for me to think about too... Incidentally, the travel board is the most visited board on this forum so I guess people do more lurking and less posting there unlike, say, the Off-Topic board. There's probably only about 10 people making all the visits there! Incidentally, David, I am very glad that you deleted your first response.
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Post by Seka on Sept 25, 2005 11:41:48 GMT 1
Good post Anna!
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Post by mambo on Sept 25, 2005 13:29:48 GMT 1
Anna,
I think you can be happy that on this messageboard the content is mostly serious and not of the kind I find on other Croatia sites. There are some sites where you will only find questions as 'what does the milk in Porec cost', 'how are the toilets on campground such and such', 'where are the discotheques', 'I have 2 little children, where do I need to go' or 'how I love the authentique markets in Istria (the typical non-authentique) tourist markets'. On these sites every discussion about the problems, the future and development of Croatia is impossible, because the visitors don't know Croatia at all.
Luckily on this site there are quite a lot who live here and who have an opinion about what is going on in this country.
I can understand that Janskov doesn't like to hear these comments, since his interest is to rent apartments and with negative comments he may fear that his business will be ruined.
Well Janskov, don't worry about that. The Croatian country is more than able to sell itself and most tourists will not encounter the bureaucracy or the strange rules and regulations. They will simply enjoy the country as it is. Most of the tourists will look at the prices and what they get for that price and based on that they will decide to come, to stay or even to come back.
So don't worry that some negative information will ruin your business, if that would be the case you are doing something wrong. Ruining your business is something you can do alone, raise your prices too high and you will not get any tourists. Don't believe me ? Take a look at Istria, where we the downtrend has set in. The tourists are not happy anymore with the prices and the service they get for it. They are leaving to the South. So don't make the same mistake as they made here, don't get too greedy. And if I look at some of the prices on your website I can only say..................good luck, I hope you will be able to sustain business with those prices. Not just one year, but 10 to 15 years. Over 100 euro per night is slightly high if you ask me.
And in case you wonder.
We also have a business here and so far I have never heard somebody tell me 'you talk about negative items in this country, I will not buy your product'.
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Post by guest on Sept 25, 2005 19:35:50 GMT 1
What I don't like about this website is that people like mambo talk a lot but don't reveal anything about themselves or what they do. Janskov reveals what he does, but mambo doesn't and then he criticizes Janskov. That in my mind devalues this site. What's the point in making lots of postings and no one knows who you are? You could be anyone and doing it for any reason. That's the problem and that's why people with real interests leave or don't post. If I don't reveal who I am and what I do then I can criticize everyone from any angle.
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Post by davidzg on Sept 25, 2005 19:47:46 GMT 1
What I don't like about this website is that people like mambo talk a lot but don't reveal anything about themselves or what they do. Janskov reveals what he does, but mambo doesn't and then he criticizes Janskov. That in my mind devalues this site. What's the point in making lots of postings and no one knows who you are? You could be anyone and doing it for any reason. That's the problem and that's why people with real interests leave or don't post. If I don't reveal who I am and what I do then I can criticize everyone from any angle. What I dislike is people who sign in using guest names to back up he original point, have some balls and use your username.
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Post by davidzg on Sept 25, 2005 20:01:58 GMT 1
Actually I had no idea what janskov does, I just looked and it seems that his problem is that he wants to use this place as free advertising for his business.
He is based in Denmark and making money out of Croatia, no wonder Croats are sick of foreigners raping their country.
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Post by mambo on Sept 25, 2005 20:30:51 GMT 1
Guest,
I have no secrets about what I or what our company does in Istria or Croatia. Last week I met Gav in Zagreb, spoke with him about our business, his business, thought about items we might be able to do together, contacts that might be interesting for him.
Even Betty Lou knows who and what we are, so if you are interested just write a mail and I will get back to you.
This message board is not a free advertisement place for companies that want to sell something, so that is why I don't advertise overhere. Above all, I write here on my behalf and not on behalf of our company, so why should I mention what we produce ?
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Post by Guest again on Sept 25, 2005 21:01:01 GMT 1
Well to both mambo and david, neither of you will reveal on here who you really are. You may be prepared to do it privately to someone you come to trust through this board, but to have genuine credibility you must say who you are and what your motives are. Its a bit like saying I am President of a country, with no political party and no political allegiance but I can say what I want and influence what I want. I could log in as whomever I wanted and reveal nothing to anyone, as long as I do not flout the rules set out when I log in, I will not be banned. What is the point of that? What help is that to anyone. Janskov is the one with the guts not you two, you, as he says merely use the board to vent your frustrations.
Both Zagreb and Istria have something offer if you start off with the right frame of mind! This is my personal view but why would anyone believe what I say if they don't know why I say it.
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