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Post by irac on Aug 27, 2007 6:23:54 GMT 1
I'd rather if our neck of the woods was called Illyria, or just - nothing. It'd be interesting to know what the true originals called it, probably stoneland or something, though stoned-land would probably be more apt now Tomislavgrad is Bosnian, lots of Catholics with a smattering of Orthodox and Muslim (even practicing Protestants) but it's Bosnian. Valiant, I think that what you're thinking of is some of the "academic" results that were created at various times to justify nonsensical empire building. There was a famous Zagreb Academy publication that placed the "Croat" homeland in Hungary, which then bacame Iran, which is now just "no provenance" - which makes more sense as it's almost as bad as the "Celtic" lie. the center of dalmatzia was actually in tomislav grad in hercegovina. but today...bosnians are bosnians. if croats in dalmatzia can inherit such a name, then i dont see why croats in slavonia cant be called pannonians? hungarians and austrains can also call themselves pannonians if they wish. but i dont see bosnians from tomislav grad calling themsleves dalmatians??
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Post by valiant on Sept 3, 2007 22:24:40 GMT 1
owl...tomsilav grad or duvno was known as Delminium...and Delminium was the dalmatian illyrian capital...it was the center of Illyrian Dalmatia..and located at Tomislav grad. but you dont see B&H ians complaining to dalmatian croats today..?
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Post by boris on Sept 19, 2007 17:33:31 GMT 1
Ford gave up on its plans to build a car plant in Croatia, and will go to Romania instead, where Ford bought a former Daewoo plant in Craiova where it will base its Eastern European operation.
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Post by Carol on Sept 19, 2007 17:37:23 GMT 1
what were the reasons for not choosing croatia?
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Post by justapixel on Sept 19, 2007 19:03:43 GMT 1
I'm surprised they even bothered to look for plant location in Croatia. We can't compete with Romania, Bulgaria or other countries where salaries are so much lower.
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Post by Ribaric on Sept 19, 2007 19:33:35 GMT 1
They couldn't prove they'd been making cars with a suitable document which was less than 6 months old, translated, notarised and apostilled.
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Post by justapixel on Sept 19, 2007 19:56:58 GMT 1
They couldn't prove they'd been making cars with a suitable document which was less than 6 months old, translated, notarised and apostilled. ;D .
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Post by irac on Sept 20, 2007 5:19:07 GMT 1
Salaries aren't a major deciding factor, besides, industrial wages are on a par with here and we have slightly lower initial taxes. Only one of many, more to the point is Ribaric's aside. Governmental stability, red tape, access to Ministers (and Premier) and above all existing skills. Croatia has lost so many chances to expand its industry thanks to Zagreb's, and local, incompetence. Tupolev were looking to use Zadar as a repair and refit base but corruption, poor facilities, lack of qualified workforce and constant paperwork meant they went to.......Shannon! We have the chance but too many in power want quick money without caring for the long term future of the people. I'm surprised they even bothered to look for plant location in Croatia. We can't compete with Romania, Bulgaria or other countries where salaries are so much lower. .
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Post by californiacro on Sept 20, 2007 7:34:37 GMT 1
I'm surprised they even bothered to look for plant location in Croatia. We can't compete with Romania, Bulgaria or other countries where salaries are so much lower. . Totally agree. We have big companies like Glaxo-Kline(pharmactical).... which need educated workforce that will take less pay than in say, Brit &US..... you can't find that in Romania. What you can find in Romania, cheap manual labor to make cars.
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Post by justapixel on Sept 20, 2007 8:48:56 GMT 1
Salaries aren't a major deciding factor, besides, industrial wages are on a par with here and we have slightly lower initial taxes. Only one of many, more to the point is Ribaric's aside. Governmental stability, red tape, access to Ministers (and Premier) and above all existing skills. Croatia has lost so many chances to expand its industry thanks to Zagreb's, and local, incompetence. Tupolev were looking to use Zadar as a repair and refit base but corruption, poor facilities, lack of qualified workforce and constant paperwork meant they went to.......Shannon! We have the chance but too many in power want quick money without caring for the long term future of the people. I know of many occurrences of corruption which have stalled foreign business ventures, but still what matters most to the investor is how much money he will save. I have no hard numbers, but I know that wages in Romania are 30-40% lower and that guys I know in Romania doing the same job as mine are paid half my salary. From what I've seen there, they certainly don't look like place well organized and lacking red tape. About lack of facilities and qualified workforce, only Rijeka (which I'm sure is much less corrupted than rest of Croatia or Romania) could compare to Craiova (which is twice larger), but it still lacked "former Daewoo plants" to be bought. In comparison, Sinj and Gradiska were hopeless. .
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Post by boris on Sept 20, 2007 11:19:05 GMT 1
what were the reasons for not choosing croatia? IMO. Romania is much cheaper, the EU member and there was a car plant already there. May I also say that Ribaric (comment) is naughty!
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Post by irac on Sept 20, 2007 12:57:18 GMT 1
You're right regarding the situation they will inherit (buy into) plus the size of the place and less corruption. However the pay is really a non-issue. It is one of many but not a deciding factor. I know this only too well from working with local authorities for investment and such, Sinj had perfect conditions (plus cheap labour with skills) for 2 companies we were asked to deal with. However local and national governance, red tape, and access to corridors of power (easy access) killed off the deals. Rates of pay are not as important, especially in higher end products, cars, chemicals, software etc, even call centres. And it has been proved by IBM choosing Bratislava over Zagreb (with Zagreb having better housing, available workforce, access and rates of pay) over the Slovak capital. The IBM Europe chief gave it the nod due to better government, better capability of workforce and stability of economy and government. There are 3 secrets to placement of major industry, salary isn't one of them! Salaries aren't a major deciding factor, besides, industrial wages are on a par with here and we have slightly lower initial taxes. Only one of many, more to the point is Ribaric's aside. Governmental stability, red tape, access to Ministers (and Premier) and above all existing skills. Croatia has lost so many chances to expand its industry thanks to Zagreb's, and local, incompetence. Tupolev were looking to use Zadar as a repair and refit base but corruption, poor facilities, lack of qualified workforce and constant paperwork meant they went to.......Shannon! We have the chance but too many in power want quick money without caring for the long term future of the people. I know of many occurrences of corruption which have stalled foreign business ventures, but still what matters most to the investor is how much money he will save. I have no hard numbers, but I know that wages in Romania are 30-40% lower and that guys I know in Romania doing the same job as mine are paid half my salary. From what I've seen there, they certainly don't look like place well organized and lacking red tape. About lack of facilities and qualified workforce, only Rijeka (which I'm sure is much less corrupted than rest of Croatia or Romania) could compare to Craiova (which is twice larger), but it still lacked "former Daewoo plants" to be bought. In comparison, Sinj and Gradiska were hopeless. .
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Post by justapixel on Sept 20, 2007 18:19:16 GMT 1
It is one of many but not a deciding factor. I know this only too well from working with local authorities for investment and such, Sinj had perfect conditions (plus cheap labour with skills) for 2 companies we were asked to deal with. However local and national governance, red tape, and access to corridors of power (easy access) killed off the deals. If you intimately know details of Sinj red tape, why not kill off their local representatives with a public statement of what they did? I'd enjoy seeing them take the blame and serving as a public scapegoat. Rates of pay are not as important, especially in higher end products, cars, chemicals, software etc, even call centres. And it has been proved by IBM choosing Bratislava over Zagreb (with Zagreb having better housing, available workforce, access and rates of pay) over the Slovak capital. The IBM Europe chief gave it the nod due to better government, better capability of workforce and stability of economy and government. There are 3 secrets to placement of major industry, salary isn't one of them! I agree with the most stated above, but one thing - salaries in Bratislava (and Czech republic, and Hungary) are considerably lower than in Croatia, especially when you include the taxes. There's a lot of outsourcing to those countries going on presently (in IT industry) precisely because of that reason. .
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Post by irac on Sept 20, 2007 20:02:29 GMT 1
Wages are better in Slovakia and Hungary, as are soial benefits, bu to be pefectly honest he workforce are at the same level. Croatians can do the same jobs easily.
Justapixel, I gave an interview to HTV regarding the Sinj debacle, it was never shown and an article done for Slobodna was pulled when it contradicted our great Mr. Zuzul (who appeared on the scene after the fact and asked openly for money, same as in the Hotel Sibenik deal).. I've take and have kept my notes, and even recordings of pretty much every meeting, one day the might see the light of day
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Post by justapixel on Sept 20, 2007 20:52:02 GMT 1
I think it's worth trying harder. What about newspapers?
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