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Post by nelson on Jun 13, 2006 20:09:03 GMT 1
Some time recently the Croatian Gov decided to levy PDV (22%) on Hotel and Accommodation.
I have it on good authority from a friend working at DBV Airport that passenger figures are down 20% so far this year.
Has the bubble burst ?
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Post by irac on Jun 13, 2006 20:15:32 GMT 1
Well, the reports on tv and in the papers were that Solaris was full, yet last week and the week before it was running at half capacity. I noticed this year in Sibenik a distinct absence of the large tourist numbers of the previous 3 years. Visitors aren't dumb, and Dubrovnik and the area (plus Zagreb) haven't learned that you need facilities and entertainment to get people back. When you have less than a 1/4 of repeat visitors (via DBV last year alone), and of those surveyed 1/3-1/2 own properties or have family there, it's a little scary!
It's about time the government get real on ratings and acceptable levels of accomodation. There are no true 5 star hotels here (maybe the new Hilton will prove an exception). Park and President in Split that claim 4 stars are 3 at best.
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Post by Graham - Bosmere on Jun 13, 2006 20:31:39 GMT 1
www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/m/statistike_e.htm for the pax stats through Cilipi. No sign of a 20% drop if you can trust the figures. Regarding 5 star hotels, is there a demand for 'genuine' 5 star hotels or are visitors happy with a 3 star service? With reference to repeat visits, we are finding that a lot of our regulars are now going to Montenegro instead of Croatia and there is not a lot in the way of facilities and entertainment there either
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Post by irac on Jun 13, 2006 20:43:26 GMT 1
True on the 5 star front, Zagreb is well served enough and there isn't the large business influx (yet dare I say?) to warrant anything else, why put one in Dubrovnik when it shuts down for 6 months of the year.
Is Montenegro just cheap, interesting and/or lots of people moving along the coast having a look around?
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Post by nikh on Jun 15, 2006 10:43:10 GMT 1
We are in our third year of renting in different markets, Irish and English dont want to come back yet they had a look and either bought property or moved on until its cleaned up a bit and building is over. The cut off building date is being ignored and guests dont appreciate the 7am bulldozer alarm.Hungarian and Italian market are return visitors. we are down this June but have 80 percent bookings across Dalmatian coast and Bracfor july and august from these markets. As Split expands so will the airport and then the tourist season. Lots of guests in April by the way and a few more restaurants open earlier this year in some of our rental areas, this is good news
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Post by mambo on Jun 15, 2006 11:25:24 GMT 1
Was yesterday and the day before in Zadar, Sukosan, Biograd, Murter, Vodice and everywhere tourist levels were way down. Everybody blames the World championships soccer, but I don't believe that this is the reason. Not everybody watches soccer in the stadium, in fact not even everybody watches soccer at all. In my opinion Croatia is not paying attention to economic developments in Europe and their price and marketing policies are not developed with this in mind, which is a basic mistake.
Tourism does not have a bubble, tourism is something that you can make or break yourself. Get greedy and don't deliver what customers expect and you will never see them again.
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Post by Culchie on Jun 20, 2006 11:21:26 GMT 1
Just back after a week, and tourist levels are definitely down, you can tell by the level of traffic on the coastal roads straight away.
However, I do think the world cup does have a major bearing on things. Primary markets Poland, Italy, Germany, Czechs, English, Serbs, French .... all involved in the world cup.
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Post by irac on Jun 20, 2006 11:27:48 GMT 1
That's a fair point Culchie, but when you see a lack of Irish around the place, plus a dearth of Croatians on the coast (last year there were heaps from Varazdin and Gradiska), and a distinct lack of Slovenes, Hungarians, Slovaks, Austrians, there's something up here and it's not entirely good.
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Post by capio on Jun 20, 2006 11:34:30 GMT 1
Well I have no idea where everybody is as Zagreb is completely deserted, like a scene from a John Wayne movie. Here is a recent photo of Zagreb downtown Bowowwawawaaaaa [Edit:Image resized]
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Post by capio on Jun 20, 2006 11:37:22 GMT 1
Irac you're moaning so much lately, you're even depressing me, come to Zagreb, we'll introduce you to some good time girls and put a smile on your face.
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Post by irac on Jun 20, 2006 11:44:31 GMT 1
Na thanks, I'm waiting for my two to arrive here and then I'll be as happy as a Croatian.....I'll leave the rest to other's imagination!
Yeah, moaning, I'm just surprised at the surprise that tourist numbers are down, especially when in the Costa Del Sol it's hopping, and the Greeks are busy as ever! (Euronews are doing a resort report, Croatia got a mention today, but only that there was something about road closures).
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Post by Ribaric on Jun 20, 2006 11:57:11 GMT 1
You have TWO good time girls irac?
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Post by irac on Jun 20, 2006 12:04:09 GMT 1
don't you stir Mister, you know what I mean!!!!!
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Post by Culchie on Jun 20, 2006 12:09:11 GMT 1
That's a fair point Culchie, but when you see a lack of Irish around the place, plus a dearth of Croatians on the coast (last year there were heaps from Varazdin and Gradiska), and a distinct lack of Slovenes, Hungarians, Slovaks, Austrians, there's something up here and it's not entirely good. Yes, but the weather was very poor up to the end of last week. All those nationalities can hop in their car when the weather is good, and the world cup is finished. From what I saw, the resorts like Cavtat are full of UK Visitors especially, and there was alot more traffic around yesterday with the better weather. I think it's the world cup, I guess July and August will prove/disprove that theory.
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Post by capio on Jun 20, 2006 12:11:39 GMT 1
Irac must be the stud muffin of Knin, usually you Irish guys are slow movers but not Irac. An Irishman goes into a shoe store and buys a pair of tortoise shell shoes, it took him 3 hours to get out of the store...boom boom.....An Irish man walks onto a building site and asks for a job, whats your name son says the foreman, paddy mulligan he replies, how do you spell it... Stick the job up your ass. paddy walks onto the building site for a job and the foreman asks, can you brew tea, sure he replies, the foreman then asks if he can drive a stacker truck. Why says paddy, how bigs the fu**king tea pot . I'm here all week.
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