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Post by darcy on Mar 20, 2007 22:48:37 GMT 1
What overseas investment companies? What is the size of the investment?
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Post by capio on Mar 20, 2007 23:39:09 GMT 1
Well Mambo is objective, he simply gives his opinion, give the nature of your business you cant be.
Well, maybe you could be, but you're certainly not.
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Post by gmh on Mar 21, 2007 0:19:22 GMT 1
But how can a man who 'just passed through' have more knowledge of the situation there than a man who lives there ? By that reasoning what i say about Britain holds more truth than what you say about Britain. I don't think the average tourist looks at what the developments in an area are like. I think they focus on the coast and nature(what they came there for in the first place) and aren't concerned with town planning issues and the situation with corruption and such. The latter is something only people who live here are concerned with. If people really were trying to help Croatia, they wouldn't do it by promoting it's negative aspects on a tourist forum, they would/should find an outlet for their grievances in some more appropriate localized medium.
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Post by capio on Mar 21, 2007 1:03:45 GMT 1
I never said he knows more, just that his views are more truthful, at least he really believes what he says. It's his opinion nothing more, opinions are a$$holes we all have one and most are full of 5hit, but I would rather see somebodies opinion that spin.
*a$$holes when typed properly changes to 'not a very nice person' ;D ;D Anna you crack me up!
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Post by irac on Mar 21, 2007 16:04:35 GMT 1
Gavin, can you point to an outlet? A government controlled, repressive press? Or possibly the local co co offices? Most folks know the country well enough and only those with an agenda will paint a totally biased point of view of areas or the country as a whole. Sure it's beautiful, it has lovely sites, but can it compare with other developing nations for tourism? Definitely not. Will it improve, most certainly - with the amount of EU funds pouring in it has to!
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Post by irac on Mar 21, 2007 16:14:11 GMT 1
Not to be a pedant, but a short time ago, it would be very straightforward to paste in quotes if necessary, the company repped by Mambo's correspondant were providing almost totally for returning Croats, who wished to retire in the area. However now there are masses of buyers and overseas investment companies, seems strange this turn, so that the humanitarian element initally reported from the correspondant had a very definite economically enriching tinge. As I said before Mambo, no matter what you saw or know, it's probably incorrect, it might well be true, the area isn't the cleanest and certainly has a short season and not so attractive local population, but it's probably not the only place in the world with similiar problems. or the masses of buyers who have bought on the Karin Sea.... including overseas investment companies?
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Post by mark2 on Mar 21, 2007 17:16:30 GMT 1
To be quite frank, I am getting a little tired of people playing the "Where's the best place in Croatia" Game. As GMH said, tourists aren't attracted or put off by an area because of planning issues. They come to the Karin Sea for the nature, relaxation and central location. Yes I have employed "spin" in this thread, purely to give truthful and knowledgable answers about the area. I now realise that some members of this forum have personal grievances against this area, each to their own. But my OPINION is, I would far rather live on the shores of the Karin Sea than in Knin or Porec........The title of this forum "Visit Croatia" should probably be revised to "Don't Bother Visiting Croatia" because the Dutch and Irish think it sucks!
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Post by mark2 on Mar 21, 2007 17:52:02 GMT 1
Not wishing to be a pedant, but here is a property currently advertised on IRAC's (Alan Moores) Hiberno-Knin website. Karin-Zadar Riviera: Next to the sea this property contains two small houses that can be developed as a going concern for rentals or a cafe-bar. Only a short drive to the International Airport at Zadar and the vibrant town of Zadar itself. A terrific opportunity to get a foothold in a busy tourist region which is projected to see price rises of more than 25% in the 2005-10 period.
Hypocrisy or Grudge?
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Post by Carol on Mar 21, 2007 18:17:53 GMT 1
25% over 5 years isn't very much: 4.56% per year before inflation.
Ignore them Mark, the whole thread was just supposed to bait you.
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Post by mark2 on Mar 21, 2007 18:22:01 GMT 1
I knew that from the start Carol, but when cowardly foreigners launch an attack against a specific and relatively small area on a UK based website, someone must stand up to them. Sadly, that job came down to me.
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Post by capio on Mar 21, 2007 18:42:44 GMT 1
Oh get you!!
Carol, Mark is insanely biased and unable to give an honest opinion.
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Post by Carol on Mar 21, 2007 20:22:00 GMT 1
to be honest capio, I get fed up too with the "you must be a liar because you are an estate agent" stance which some people take (i mean in real life not just on this forum). I know it comes with the territory of the job but when you try to help someone and they take help for weeks or months, sometimes without any remuneration at all and then they turn round and slap you at the end because in their opinion your job makes you sub-human...
As to Mark, i am guessing that there must be a reasonable amount of those half-finished unpainted houses around the karin sea. (Kastela has a lot by the magistrala too). Whatever the reasons for being there.. tax avoidance, lack of pride on behalf of the owners or whatever, there is no doubt that they are ugly and do not present Croatia as the tourist board (and estate agents) would wish it to look. I guess what i am trying to say, is its not fair to pick one area out and villanise it, especially if you do it on a web forum where everyone knows one of the regular posters is trying to build a business there.
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Post by irac on Mar 21, 2007 21:19:23 GMT 1
So when in doubt attack others, bravo Mark, svaki cast, you must be hugely proud of yourself. You may have problems reading others posts, but then I must remember that picking out what's "important" and employing "spin" (you said as much yourself) is more important than actually holding proper debate without resorting to sales pitches.
I agree with Carol in that it's not right to single one area out, we can all find something attractive in a place, and faults with it, yet chose to enjoy it. So some hate Zagreb, okay, it's not the best, but it's got a lot of redeeming points. Carol, the growth is honest and while it's low, to say otherwise is a lie, and unfortunately since the person who was looking after the region on to join our partners (Property Partners Ireland) we no longer carry it or other property in the area.
It's easy to attack, and defend with spin, sadly they both smack of a lack of self-conviction (or of being caught out).
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Post by firefly on Mar 21, 2007 21:37:25 GMT 1
You have some nerve accusing others of attack irac, when all you've ever done on this board is attack everyone and everything even remotely related to Croatia. Hypocrite!
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Post by mark2 on Mar 21, 2007 21:44:07 GMT 1
Irac, you were the person who claimed that people in Susnjar and Cicingaj threw their rubbish into the sea, you were the detractor who said you would come and take photographs and send them to me. I replied that I live on the Karin Sea and have done for over 2 years now and have never seen any such thing, you went on about how Slovenians had many houses in the area, your latest posts claim that these Slovenians have sold up. You discredit real estate agents, but you yourself are one, "trying" to sell in Knin and passing the buck to your "partners".
I reply to your pathetic arguments due to a private confidence that one day, the Karin sea, will be one of the most sought after areas on the Croatian Coast. If that does not happen, I don't care, It will still be MY home.
Please carry on with your sporting work and tourism in Knin and leave the rest of the country to actually make some progress.
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