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Post by irac on Jul 19, 2007 11:13:48 GMT 1
Okay, Carol, I'm not arguing with you, I agree wholeheartedly that it's the environment that messes up otherwise good folks. But my point was the ability is there but it will continue to take outside influence and a growth in confidence as a nation for the youngsters (webgen is a good word) to kick off.
Not work abroad RIbaric, not totally, but train, yes - post-grad - move abroad and a lot of kids don't want to come back. We're worried about that with our own rugby lads, once they see how good life is outside they'll not come back (plus the training facilities, attitudes etc).
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Post by Sasha on Jul 19, 2007 11:15:36 GMT 1
OK, Sasha, please tell me any source of data in CRO (excluding data publish by the Reserve Bank, which looks to me as the only decent institution). Irac asked how many properties in Croatia are owned by foreigners. Do you have a clue? You can read in the papers, but they do not say any detail about the source nor they say how the data had been collected, what means they are making it up or the data are worthless. The same applies to the tourist numbers, price of the sq. meter and everything else. Do you know where to find the data? Croatia is closing the gap with the EU, but the process is pushed only by the nervous foreign investors (banking industry mostly). Please understand that in 1996 when I was working in CRO, CRO had a far better overall economic profile then the Baltics, Poland, Romania and Bulgaria, and was pretty even with Hungary. Now, CRO fellow countries are Albania and Macedonia and everything else is a pure propaganda. I have seen reports (sorry I have not kept them, but might be able to find them) on the exact numbers of foreigners owning property in Croatia, how many companies own property, price per sq meter and so on. Banking industry is very happy, and not nervous in Croatia. I do not know, if you are from the UK, but can anyone tell, how many properties are owned by foreigners there, how many buy offshore companies etc? Of course not! Re: the economic situation: new EU members get enormous investments, and Croatia does not, as she is not a member. Living standard is much higher in Croatia than, for example, Bulgaria or Romania. |
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Post by Sasha on Jul 19, 2007 11:18:32 GMT 1
Nail, hit, hammer and head Carol. My limited contact with post-grads is that they have excellent technical and theoretic knowledge but the world of commerce and real-life business is not generally available to them. I detect an exaggeration of the value of degrees among the few I know, this is coupled with a poor appreciation of bottom-line business. Too much process, not enough goal driven activity. Your point about exposure had not occured to me but I'm sure you've got it right. The answer? Maybe to work abroad and bring home the business mentality learnt there. Ribaric, you are 100% right. Not enough business mentality in Croatia, and this is CRO government fault. |
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Post by irac on Jul 19, 2007 11:22:06 GMT 1
re: Money from the EU - what built the A1? EU Funds who paid for upgrades to airports, ports and rail? EU funds. The EU has spent (in 2005) €220million on small projects - the CARDS Programme for 2004 is yet to have it's budget verified. Without EU money coming in Croatia would be in a lot less decent a state. Banks are in a parlous state at present, HPB is still for sale but no takers. Societe Generale are looking to sell off 1/2 of their stake in Splitska Banka (already yes) and Jadranska continue to go backwards with money unaccounted for. It's not unique to Croatia, but it doesn't excuse the mess. OK, Sasha, please tell me any source of data in CRO (excluding data publish by the Reserve Bank, which looks to me as the only decent institution). Irac asked how many properties in Croatia are owned by foreigners. Do you have a clue? You can read in the papers, but they do not say any detail about the source nor they say how the data had been collected, what means they are making it up or the data are worthless. The same applies to the tourist numbers, price of the sq. meter and everything else. Do you know where to find the data? Croatia is closing the gap with the EU, but the process is pushed only by the nervous foreign investors (banking industry mostly). Please understand that in 1996 when I was working in CRO, CRO had a far better overall economic profile then the Baltics, Poland, Romania and Bulgaria, and was pretty even with Hungary. Now, CRO fellow countries are Albania and Macedonia and everything else is a pure propaganda. I have seen reports (sorry I have not kept them, but might be able to find them) on the exact numbers of foreigners owning property in Croatia, how many companies own property, price per sq meter and so on. Banking industry is very happy, and not nervous in Croatia. I do not know, if you are from the UK, but can anyone tell, how many properties are owned by foreigners there, how many buy offshore companies etc? Of course not! Re: the economic situation: new EU members get enormous investments, and Croatia does not, as she is not a member. Living standard is much higher in Croatia than, for example, Bulgaria or Romania. |
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Post by darcy on Jul 19, 2007 11:29:04 GMT 1
CRO is a lucky country with so many foreigners want to live and hopefully open a business.
I think Croatia should be thankful and make entry for the foreigners as easy as possible.
Banking is a good example - they made a huge improvement in the banking practice, OK they bought it dam cheap, but still they fixed the mess. Telecom - bought by the foreigners again, is not a bad example. I think the tourism is next and more foreigners buy the properties and start the business - better for everybody.
Sorry, nobody wants to buy CRO government.
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Post by zorro on Jul 19, 2007 11:38:09 GMT 1
I think Croatia should be thankful and make entry for the foreigners as easy as possible. Croats are suspicious of foreigners and for good reason. I don't think they should have an "open door" policy. It will become mini Germany (more than it is already  ) |
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Post by zorro on Jul 19, 2007 11:46:56 GMT 1
I worked in the City after graduation. I now know a lot more than I did upon graduation because I picked it up from working in a professional environment. Both in terms of how to conduct myself in a professional manner and also in gaining the up to date technical knowledge to understand the products and the market. How could someone who graduates with a maths degree in croatia do the same? how do you cope in Cro, you must feel like bashing a few heads in different universes. in london, I know of a guy who jumped off the top of he's building coz he got the sack....you just don't get those types of stresses in Cro. everything is so highly strung and details a must in london, sure you can make a fortune, but you could die trying. not in Cro (nobody cares) |
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Post by rijekafan on Jul 19, 2007 13:10:53 GMT 1
Irac, I never said Tito was racist, that was the least of his sins. By Titoist I mean the attitude, if you dont agree with me you can bugger off
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Post by Carol on Jul 19, 2007 13:12:43 GMT 1
its hard work. I've spent most of the morning trying to get a cleints money back from their cro bank account to the Uk. Should be one day but so far it has taken 9 (business days). The cro banks involved who will remain nameless though at this moment i would love to name and shame are holding onto the money because 1. they like to take a day or two to process such things 2. they thought they had done it but hey they made a mistake 3. its the holdiay season, you know 4. everyone's gone home. try tomorrow.
British banks - especially the english ones - are nothing to write home about but the sloppy, incompetent work i've seen over the last two weeks would get anyone in the Uk fired automatically.
(By the way, working in a bank is considered a "good" job in Croatia, resevred for the most talented).
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Post by darcy on Jul 19, 2007 13:19:46 GMT 1
Carol, as a Scottish I know how terrible is to experience such banking service. However, that is nothing compared with 10 years ago, believe me. 10 years ago you will be happy to find your own money on your own bank account and be able to cash it in. So, progress is there.
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Post by capio on Jul 19, 2007 13:20:04 GMT 1
. I detect an exaggeration of the value of degrees among the few I know, this is coupled with a poor appreciation of bottom-line business. Too much process, not enough goal driven activity. . The answer? Maybe to work abroad and bring home the business mentality learnt there. 100% correct, far too many 'businessmen' there simply repeat generic nonsense from a book and lack the flexiibilty and common sense needed in business. That is why the more astute and less pretentious Kosovans and Herzegovinans have so much power in Zagreb. |
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Post by irac on Jul 19, 2007 14:52:59 GMT 1
I don't agree with you, you bugger off :-) No, sorry, I never meant to say he was racist, he ripped people off regardless of colour, creed or origin :-) His attitude was that, my way or no way, but you know, the only folks to really put it up to him were a bunch of ragtag office staff from the British Army who prevented further war (standing up to partisan histronics at the wars end). But how much of that was orchestrated and agreed upon we'll never now. Irac, I never said Tito was racist, that was the least of his sins. By Titoist I mean the attitude, if you dont agree with me you can bugger off |
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Post by Sasha on Jul 19, 2007 15:33:50 GMT 1
CRO is a lucky country with so many foreigners want to live and hopefully open a business. I think Croatia should be thankful and make entry for the foreigners as easy as possible. Banking is a good example - they made a huge improvement in the banking practice, OK they bought it dam cheap, but still they fixed the mess. Telecom - bought by the foreigners again, is not a bad example. I think the tourism is next and more foreigners buy the properties and start the business - better for everybody. Sorry, nobody wants to buy CRO government. |
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Post by Sasha on Jul 19, 2007 15:35:30 GMT 1
. I detect an exaggeration of the value of degrees among the few I know, this is coupled with a poor appreciation of bottom-line business. Too much process, not enough goal driven activity. . The answer? Maybe to work abroad and bring home the business mentality learnt there. 100% correct, far too many 'businessmen' there simply repeat generic nonsense from a book and lack the flexiibilty and common sense needed in business. That is why the more astute and less pretentious Kosovans and Herzegovinans have so much power in Zagreb. Capio, thanks, spot on! |
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Post by justapixel on Jul 19, 2007 20:01:02 GMT 1
Guys, I'm not following you. What kind of expertise and experience should the Croatians get working abroad? What kind of professions are you talking about?
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