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Post by Carol on Aug 11, 2007 9:24:40 GMT 1
(and this is why the EU is a good thing for Croatia because a pre-condition of entry is that Croatia sorts out its justice system)
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Post by irac on Aug 11, 2007 13:07:43 GMT 1
At the reate talks in Zagreb are going it'll be at least a further 10years on land issues alone, and that's not accounting for Croatian-Serbs, Croatian-Italians or Croatian-Germans.
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Post by darcy on Aug 12, 2007 11:16:22 GMT 1
Regarding the problem that KRK has, it is not a land register issue but a pure customer protection.
In regards to the land register, I do not see it as a big issue, Croatian-Serbs, Croatian-Italians or Croatian-Germans issue does not really exist, and it is all part of the pre-WW2 ownership and the post-WW2 reforms. If you have a chance when buying a property to check that all transitions since 1939 are "private sale", you should be fine. I had that problem when I was purchasing and I pulled out from original purchase because the land was "nationalized" from the big landowner after the war and given to the leasee. As a foreigner I did not want to be dragged into the ownership dispute.
As much as I know, such disputes in Croatia are subject to the compensation by the government and current ownership is not affected.
I also noticed that Croatians does not like/want to keep their land books in order. Possibly, if they put them in order, they would not be able to argue their case latter down the track.
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Post by irac on Aug 12, 2007 16:33:25 GMT 1
Darcy, the issues of Italians who were thrown out of the country (mainly Istria) still has an affect on land and property issues - esp in hotels. Even in Drnis an Italian family who were "re-located" in 1946 to Herzegovina are in court since 1995 trying to get their property back (anyone in the area will know the house and lands) yet it was sold in 1996 and now is for sale again. It's still a little iffy in regards to lands taken away by Tito, even look at the difficulties in a lovely little spot like Vinisce which was church lands! A big problem is the "drustveno vlasnistvo" - which a lot of appropriated property in 1945 is know know as. Regarding the problem that KRK has, it is not a land register issue but a pure customer protection. In regards to the land register, I do not see it as a big issue, Croatian-Serbs, Croatian-Italians or Croatian-Germans issue does not really exist, and it is all part of the pre-WW2 ownership and the post-WW2 reforms. If you have a chance when buying a property to check that all transitions since 1939 are "private sale", you should be fine. I had that problem when I was purchasing and I pulled out from original purchase because the land was "nationalized" from the big landowner after the war and given to the leasee. As a foreigner I did not want to be dragged into the ownership dispute. As much as I know, such disputes in Croatia are subject to the compensation by the government and current ownership is not affected. I also noticed that Croatians does not like/want to keep their land books in order. Possibly, if they put them in order, they would not be able to argue their case latter down the track.
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Post by Carol on Aug 12, 2007 18:56:05 GMT 1
Always interesting to see how the return of confiscated property plays out, but surely this has nothing to do with Krk's problems?
His issues (I suspect) are that he needs to be street smart to see his contract enforced
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Post by darcy on Aug 12, 2007 22:56:26 GMT 1
The "drustveno vlasnistvo" does not exist as a land registry problem, I learned that part. No transaction as a result of the "drustveno vlasnistvo" changed the title in the land registry, only the land use.
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Post by irac on Aug 13, 2007 6:02:17 GMT 1
Tell more Darcy, this is a problem that I ran into myself where a slip of land at the end of a meadow is just so and we now cannot build on it (sports field) legally.
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Post by krkisland on Aug 13, 2007 21:13:58 GMT 1
Hi all
Quick question - When you say a local lawyer with contacts is the best
Do you mean local to the land registry office where you are buying OR Local to the location of the company you are taking to court OR Local to the closest court where the case is likely to be held?
I presume any attendence in court by the lawyer would be held in the larger town closest to where I was buying.
Being close to the land registry office would allow further analysis of the papers etc but are there any other benefits.
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Post by darcy on Aug 14, 2007 1:53:14 GMT 1
You need a good lawyer close to the place where the unfortunate events took place and where the case will be heart. Try to find one asap and discuss your options with him/her (which court will claim jurisdiction, regular or commercial etc.).
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Post by Carol on Aug 14, 2007 8:12:52 GMT 1
if those 3 places are not all one and the same, then go for the one where the court is.
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Post by Carol on Aug 14, 2007 8:15:41 GMT 1
Your estate agent has not done much so far, but maybe he can redeem himself by putting you in touch with a good lawyer. Sorry to say this but there are not many good lawyers around and there are quite a few which you might consider sub standard, so its not a case of picking one from the yellow pages.
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Post by krkisland on Aug 14, 2007 11:03:12 GMT 1
Well
Today we made one final phone call today asking why the money isnt in the account and having our agent make another call mentioning that we would go to the croatian papers.
Initially they said they cant make payment as they only make these on Wednesdays and there is a public holiday in Croatia on Wednesday. But after my wife called saying it had to be paid today the hard work has finally paid off. Mission has been a success.
Double Deposit has been paid into our Croatian Bank account today.
Thank you all for your help. Please contact me if you ever find yourself in this situation and I can provide templates of emails/faxes etc.
THANKS ALL!
Ive learnt a lot in these last few weeks..
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Post by Carol on Aug 14, 2007 11:05:19 GMT 1
congratulations. Now if you would liek to look further south, I'd be delighted to help you!
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Post by krkisland on Aug 14, 2007 11:07:11 GMT 1
Thanks Carol
Im not sure how far my money would stretch down South :-) Surely Im too late for the boat..
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Post by Sasha on Aug 14, 2007 11:16:04 GMT 1
Krkisland, can you bluff a bit, that you will expose the company in English, German newspapers, websites, write to the UK Emabassy, CRO politicians, etc.
Maybe it might help.
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