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Post by mambo on Sept 4, 2007 19:53:29 GMT 1
Forgot to say that the way to avoid profit taxes in Italy was to re-invest the money. As long as you kept investing you did not have to pay profit tax. The only way to get it out of the company again was to sell the whole company or sell the real estate etc.
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Post by justapixel on Sept 4, 2007 20:48:07 GMT 1
I also thought that we, in Holland, were paying the most amount of tax of all of Europe, but when I explained it to my (then) girlfriend she explained me what they pay in Italy and after adding everything up I had to concede that Italy has higher taxes. Are you sure? Here are the income taxes in Holland and Italy: Netherlands 0 - 17000 33% 17000 - 53000 42% 53000 - 52% Italy 0 - 26000 23% 26000 - 33000 33% 33000 - 100000 39% 100000 - 43% From what I see, taxes in Italy are lower than taxes in Netherlands. But that's not all, let's see the true champion. Croatia 0 - 3800 32% 3800 - 11500 42% 11500 - 23000 49% 23000 - 57500 56% 57500 - 62% Maybe Italians fake it, but we here really do have a good excuse for black economy. The North of course is extremely rich. The area from Milan until Treviso is most probably the richest area of all of Europe. Back in the 90's they had the highest concentration of millionaires per square km of all of Europe. The economy in Italy is now going a little worse and there is an enormous influx of immigrants, which pulls everything down (and none of the Italians are happy with it). It is not for nothing that Lega Nord is very popular in that area. Whenever Bossi comes to speak half Vicenza will be present, same goes for Padova and the rest of the cities. If the North would have its way they would cut away from the South and kick all the immigrants out again. And to be honest............I can't blame them. Italy is a country divided. They always go to the extremes - north vs south, communists vs fascists. Wait a minute, it's so similar to Croatia. Where similarities end is that last 5-10 years their economy is in recession and social disparity (gini index) is much higher. That's where all those millionaires come from. .
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Post by Slatkica on Sept 4, 2007 21:01:02 GMT 1
Californiacro, Im not American lol! Where you born over there or in Croatia?
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Post by pocketvenus on Sept 4, 2007 22:23:21 GMT 1
I also thought that we, in Holland, were paying the most amount of tax of all of Europe, but when I explained it to my (then) girlfriend she explained me what they pay in Italy and after adding everything up I had to concede that Italy has higher taxes. Are you sure? Here are the income taxes in Holland and Italy: Netherlands 0 - 17000 33% 17000 - 53000 42% 53000 - 52% Italy 0 - 26000 23% 26000 - 33000 33% 33000 - 100000 39% 100000 - 43% From what I see, taxes in Italy are lower than taxes in Netherlands. But that's not all, let's see the true champion. Croatia 0 - 3800 32% 3800 - 11500 42% 11500 - 23000 49% 23000 - 57500 56% 57500 - 62% Maybe Italians fake it, but we here really do have a good excuse for black economy. The North of course is extremely rich. The area from Milan until Treviso is most probably the richest area of all of Europe. Back in the 90's they had the highest concentration of millionaires per square km of all of Europe. The economy in Italy is now going a little worse and there is an enormous influx of immigrants, which pulls everything down (and none of the Italians are happy with it). It is not for nothing that Lega Nord is very popular in that area. Whenever Bossi comes to speak half Vicenza will be present, same goes for Padova and the rest of the cities. If the North would have its way they would cut away from the South and kick all the immigrants out again. And to be honest............I can't blame them. Italy is a country divided. They always go to the extremes - north vs south, communists vs fascists. Wait a minute, it's so similar to Croatia. Where similarities end is that last 5-10 years their economy is in recession and social disparity (gini index) is much higher. That's where all those millionaires come from. . Lol Mambo, I know what you mean about North and South in Italy, they call each other polentoni and terroni! ;D But it is very similar in the UK and Croatia. I didn't notice such a difference with I lived in Holland though. Slatkica, how can you defend Americans?! They vote in an illiterate buffoon and bomb countries they can't even find on the map! Land of the free my backside! Free to have an abortion NOT, free HIV drugs NOT, free general health care NOT, free to be a pacifist or atheist NOT! And the tourists - this is just one example. I went on a train to Ireland to meet my future mum-in-law. Half way through the journey from Hull to Holyhead this huge yank woman came on with her whole loud family. She just sat her fat ar*e down beside me and said Hello, I'm from the United States of America and asked if I'd been there. I just smiled, said no and concentrated on my book, at which point she asked me if I'd been to the USA again, and whether I'd HEARD her! Then she told me that she and the whole party were from Oregon and asked whether I'd been to Oregon!?! I then got my CD walkman out and put it on and she started to nudge me! Every European I know can tell a story like this - Americans should be KEPT OUT OF EUROPE!!!
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Post by Slatkica on Sept 4, 2007 22:28:18 GMT 1
Are you sure? Here are the income taxes in Holland and Italy: Netherlands 0 - 17000 33% 17000 - 53000 42% 53000 - 52% Italy 0 - 26000 23% 26000 - 33000 33% 33000 - 100000 39% 100000 - 43% From what I see, taxes in Italy are lower than taxes in Netherlands. But that's not all, let's see the true champion. Croatia 0 - 3800 32% 3800 - 11500 42% 11500 - 23000 49% 23000 - 57500 56% 57500 - 62% Maybe Italians fake it, but we here really do have a good excuse for black economy. Italy is a country divided. They always go to the extremes - north vs south, communists vs fascists. Wait a minute, it's so similar to Croatia. Where similarities end is that last 5-10 years their economy is in recession and social disparity (gini index) is much higher. That's where all those millionaires come from. . Lol Mambo, I know what you mean about North and South in Italy, they call each other polentoni and terroni! ;D But it is very similar in the UK and Croatia. I didn't notice such a difference with I lived in Holland though. Slatkica, how can you defend Americans?! They vote in an illiterate buffoon and bomb countries they can't even find on the map! Land of the free my backside! Free to have an abortion NOT, free HIV drugs NOT, free general health care NOT, free to be a pacifist or atheist NOT! And the tourists - this is just one example. I went on a train to Ireland to meet my future mum-in-law. Half way through the journey from Hull to Holyhead this huge yank woman came on with her whole loud family. She just sat her fat ar*e down beside me and said Hello, I'm from the United States of America and asked if I'd been there. I just smiled, said no and concentrated on my book, at which point she asked me if I'd been to the USA again, and whether I'd HEARD her! Then she told me that she and the whole party were from Oregon and asked whether I'd been to Oregon!?! I then got my CD walkman out and put it on and she started to nudge me! Every European I know can tell a story like this - Americans should be KEPT OUT OF EUROPE!!! Hahahaha! I'm the last person whose gonna want to defend the Americans, don't get me started on reasons why I hate them... Their brainwashed mentality and extreme ignorance drives me mad! plus the culture or rather lack of it! Keep them out of Europe - hah no problem most of them never leave the States.
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Post by mambo on Sept 4, 2007 23:42:51 GMT 1
Justapixel,
There are more taxes than just income taxes, income tax is just a part of it.
And about Americans ?
I remember very well what those lunatics did in Venice back in 1993 and this is not a lie or a made up story.
Back then we had a huge influx of US military in Vicenza, Aviano and Verona. All of them stayed for about 3 months and then went home again. During the 3 month period most of them flew their wives in to see Venice, Tuscany, the usual stuff. In the summer of 1993 I went with a girlfriend to Venice, took a Gondola ride of 30 minutes and had to pay 50,000 lire. For us Europeans that was a handsome amount for 30 minutes of splashing through the water, but you have to be romantic so you do it.
In October some friends from Holland came by to visit me and again we went to Venice. I brought them to the Gondolas and told them they should go do it. It was nothing special, but if you are in Venice you have to do it. Price ? 120,000 lire !!!
What had happened ?
All the Americans had come by and upon asking the price their only reaction had been: 'Jeez, that is cheap'. So after hearing customer after customer saying: 'Jeez, that is cheap' the Gondoliers decided to raise the prices drastically.
The same thing happened with the apartments in Vicenza. For us 1,000,000 lire in rent was a nice amount of money. For the Americans, with a very strong US dollar, it was peanuts and they told that to all the owners. In less than one month all the prices doubled or even tripled, leaving us completely in the cold, we (but also the Italians) could no longer afford an apartment. The same happened in our favorite restaurants, basically everywhere they would go.
So after a while I started briefing all the newcomers (Americans). I told them that when they thought something was cheap they had to keep that for themselves until they were out of hearing range of the one they were dealing with. We, the Europeans, were not paid in US dollars and for us the prices were normal, we did not consider them cheap.
You cannot believe that you have to explain that to them, but it was necessary.
I am sorry to say, but most Americans have an IQ-level that does not surpass the IQ-level of a donkey. They have no clue that there is another part of the world............outside the USA.
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Post by californiacro on Sept 4, 2007 23:47:25 GMT 1
Californiacro, Im not American lol! Where you born over there or in Croatia? Sorry I thought you live and attend college in America.... Where do you live? I was born in Croatia but I now have citizenship here too. So I have dual citizenship... I am thinking to apply for British citizenship but I do believe they make you give up your Croatian citizenship which I won't.
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Post by zorro on Sept 5, 2007 0:00:44 GMT 1
...if you apply for Brit citizenship you don't have to give up your Cro citizenship, but whether you can have Brit, Cro and Yank citizenship I don't know. I've never heard of anyone having 3 citizenships, more trouble than its worth I would imagine.
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Post by justapixel on Sept 5, 2007 0:02:29 GMT 1
Justapixel, There are more taxes than just income taxes, income tax is just a part of it. I know there are more, we also have all kinds of other taxes. Still I see you haven't specified what those special Italian taxes are. .
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Post by californiacro on Sept 5, 2007 0:17:04 GMT 1
Justapixel, I am sorry to say, but most Americans have an IQ-level that does not surpass the IQ-level of a donkey. They have no clue that there is another part of the world............outside the USA. That is being kind to the american and disrespectful to the donkey.... the donkey is probably smarter.....if you ask them about places in their own country.... they don't know. I don't know how many times I have had to explain where Croatia is.... There are some good intelligent people but they are from Europe and now live here or they are 1st born here and born from European parents and it makes them different....... There are neighbors that I won't even talk to.... because I see that on the back of their car they have Bush bumper stickers or any other Republican canidate... I don't even bother to strike up a conversation because you know... you will be tearing your hair out angry because they are stupid as mud. The mid-west is full of Bush voting hill billies.... and if you asked them to point to their own state on the map... they would not be able to find it. California tends to be a bit better.... but not much. Same with New York a bit better but not much. I think at one time America was a paradise.... especially in places like L.A California.... where you could make lots of money easy, buy a home, live with nice neighbors that were all Europeans mostly too, low crime....... Those days are gone. You can still make money if you are smart and work hard. The US... does still have some beautiful places... that Europe just does not have.... Grand Canyon, Giant Redwoods and unusual Coastline. But then again.... you have your rude know it all Frenchee's & your hard-as*s nutty Germans, your sleezy Italians, your anything goes, pot smoking people from the Netherlands, your bickering Brits, your bombmaking Spainards.... you could go on and on but everyone has some irritating trait in their culture but the Americans are the worst. I think because they can't see past their own superiority complex!
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Post by californiacro on Sept 5, 2007 0:20:07 GMT 1
...if you apply for Brit citizenship you don't have to give up your Cro citizenship, but whether you can have Brit, Cro and Yank citizenship I don't know. I've never heard of anyone having 3 citizenships, more trouble than its worth I would imagine. Not if I work in each country long enough to get a nice little pension from all.... So when I am an old fart, I can collect from all of them and be real comfortable. ;D It is also easier when I travel to be able to switch back and forth between passports.... example going into Bosnia is easier with American passport than Croatian one. Things like that...
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Post by zorro on Sept 5, 2007 1:10:48 GMT 1
...smuggling?
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Post by rijekafan on Sept 5, 2007 8:34:31 GMT 1
I am not anti american. I watch their films and TV listen to their music and wear their clothes. I found people in the states very friendly but childlike in their ignorance. They are not a democracy, whatever they say and Bush has done for the US reputaion what Hitler did for Germany and Austria. I met a US Croat the other day who would not shut up about the war in Iraq. I said to him ' you guys are sure dying like flys over there' He utterly freaked out. GDP figures in Italy cannot be trusted but they do have high average wages. Mali Losinj provides so much free entertainment that bar and club owners are complaining. Every night there was stuff going on, often until 2 in the morning. Some of it was great but Marching girls performing to Bavarian music was awful. I guess the Jerrys loved it. I wish the Croats realised how special Klappa was an paid some of the oldies to sing it in public. Roving Klappa oldies would be fantastic. As for boat tour prices, believe me the fuel price for taking 60 people out for the day is not cheap. Also the reson Yugo was so cheap in the old days was the deflated value of the Dinar. BTW Mea Culpa. Bosnians do not have their own characters, I mistook Serb Cyrillic letters for Bosnian ones. I still insist it is not a seperate language however.
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Post by pocketvenus on Sept 5, 2007 9:23:19 GMT 1
Mambo, that is terrible what happened to you in Italy with these yanks, however it doesn't surprise me in the slightest. They are so ignorant. My brother-in-law has a friend who went there and said their news is never about anything outside their own country. Not to mention their gun obsession. I met one in Hull last year. I only talked to him because I thought he was Dutch at first as he was smoking Dutch tobacco. He finished his coffee and then said (loudly of course!) that he was going to the police station to pick up his gun. I told him we don't like guns in the UK, which seemed to shock him. He said he'd been chucked out of a night club the night before "because he was with one bloke who was speaking Russian and another who was speaking Latvian". Yeah right. He then claimed to be "Dutch-American" so I started speaking Dutch and he didn't understand a word. Need I say more?
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Post by pocketvenus on Sept 5, 2007 9:30:29 GMT 1
Californiacro, Im not American lol! Where you born over there or in Croatia? Sorry I thought you live and attend college in America.... Where do you live? I was born in Croatia but I now have citizenship here too. So I have dual citizenship... I am thinking to apply for British citizenship but I do believe they make you give up your Croatian citizenship which I won't. You don't have to give up Croatian citizenship to get British - I've got both. However I don't believe anyone can have 3 citizenships, so you should give up being yank! Dual citizenship is also great for duty free! ;D
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