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Post by Niksy on Jul 20, 2004 9:52:57 GMT 1
It is not a perfect bloody word. As our friend says - he hates food and he sleeps with his door open at night. You have good and bad things everywhere. The thing is thas us Croats are a bit touchy when someone else is criticising us. And you should here us talk between us. We protest, sware, criticize everyone and everything. We all know the situation in Croatia is not all roses, but it is our country pride that won't let us give up. Taxes are too bloody high, as well as cost of life while people earn peanuts. But still, we aren't giving up. Western rich countries are providing everything for their people. They give benefits, houses, jobs and people rather choose to do nothing. Especially youth. It would probably be the same here if it was the same standard. It is nice when you come in as a tourist and only see the beautiful side. That's why I understand our British friend. I lived in UK for four years and loved it to bits. I thought I have made the mistake of coming back to Croatia, but then I realised how much I love it here. People are more open, laid back, enjoying small things, don't care if bread has crust or not, or if it is pre-sliced for toasting. They just eat and thank God for the food he gave them. I whish all the people who come here to be happy and find their own piece of Croatia for their heart and I welcome them to have nice life here. And as far as the spices go: use SALT, PEPPER and foremost V E G E T A!
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Post by alsdoubles on Jul 20, 2004 9:54:34 GMT 1
Some great vitriolic replies to my thread about drink in Croatia. Let me correct a point though. Zlatarog is 4.18 kuna. Someone put the bottles in the wrong place in Jolly's And, in theory you get 2.50 kuna back per bottle, via a great machine that swallows your bottles and gives you a receipt. The problem with that is sometimes the check-out girl doesn't give you the credit. So you have to check everything. 22% VAT on food phew. Boy is food expensive in Croatia. And to the Croat living in England, it is possible to actually earm a massive weekly wage, by Croatian standards. Many young Croats are acheing to get abroad and earn real money. Many have gone. And many think, and I quote, speaking of their own country, it's 'a hole' But don't we all criticise our own system. I don't really take that seriously. But keep up the vitriol. I quite like it here to be honest. Bit boring. Bit hot, but, aint life just like that. 99% is okay. There are many Europeans here right now. Cars from all corners of Europe. Great for a driving holiday.
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Post by guest on Jul 20, 2004 19:05:50 GMT 1
Western rich countries are providing everything for their people. They give benefits, houses, jobs and people rather choose to do nothing. Especially youth. It would probably be the same here if it was the same standard. that is a misconception... our government doesnt give out benefits, houses and jobs.... people have to work for them. hell, we even have to pay for our own medical services (while your country provide them for peanuts). It is true that Americans have better opportunities at achieving success here.. however, just like you guys, we have to work hard and be deligent to get it... Nothing is given away for free.
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Post by alsdoubles on Jul 22, 2004 23:04:50 GMT 1
that is a misconception... our government doesnt give out benefits, houses and jobs.... people have to work for them. hell, we even have to pay for our own medical services (while your country provide them for peanuts). It is true that Americans have better opportunities at achieving success here.. however, just like you guys, we have to work hard and be deligent to get it... Nothing is given away for free. Help me out here.....With unemployement high...Residents who work abroad high....Pensionsers and kids high....Who actually does the work? And I ask this question not cynically, but becasue I'd really like to know the answer. Taxes are high, that I know. I've paid them. Hated it. Food especially, and clothing, furtniture dearer, pro-rata than elsewhere in Europe. I just wonder, what makes the country tick? It appears a whole lot of the population are working with inherited things...like vieneyards, second, third houses etc....All this appears to be done on the side. So the actual earners and incomers pay all the taxes. I really don't understand this system at all. Neither do I understand this, and this goes back to the price of pivo. Let's, for an example say...Zlatarog is 4.18 kuna with an alleged 2.50 kuna refunded on the bottle...But, and I am referring to Jolly's here....do you ever get the credit? Or is the credit only given once, or if at all? If so, why are you encouraged to bring the bottles back? My wife is Crotaian speaking, and she can't figure it out. In the UK of course I could sort it in a moment. But, when you're all at sea...it's another matter. A worse senario is....80/90p a litre. (UK money, what other real money is there?) So you're doing okay, IF you like beer. But Jeez it's hot here right now. If you're not used to it, think about it. And my wife is being bitten by everything and its mother. Suffering. And I mean that most sicerely. Really suffering.
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Post by alsdoubles on Jul 22, 2004 23:07:24 GMT 1
lol.. im the guest who wrote and said "GET OUT". Read my post again... there is not a single word that attacks him in anyway... its not rude, and its NOT anti-British. it simply states his overall view of Croatia, and im giving him an advice. (im telling him to get out of a Country where he doesnt like the food, taxation and the people who runs the country). p.s. im an American and im not pro-Croat nor pro-Brit. i just saw his whining post and was just giving him an advice.... btw, my advice WAS my opinion. Reply to Rude American guest. Nothing to be said really. I forgive you. You can't help being what you are...Now THAT's rude. Yes?
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Post by rude american guest on Jul 23, 2004 4:21:40 GMT 1
Help me out here.....With unemployement high...Residents who work abroad high....Pensionsers and kids high....Who actually does the work? And I ask this question not cynically, but becasue I'd really like to know the answer. Taxes are high, that I know. I've paid them. Hated it. Food especially, and clothing, furtniture dearer, pro-rata than elsewhere in Europe. I just wonder, what makes the country tick? It appears a whole lot of the population are working with inherited things...like vieneyards, second, third houses etc....All this appears to be done on the side. So the actual earners and incomers pay all the taxes. I really don't understand this system at all. Neither do I understand this, and this goes back to the price of pivo. Let's, for an example say...Zlatarog is 4.18 kuna with an alleged 2.50 kuna refunded on the bottle...But, and I am referring to Jolly's here....do you ever get the credit? Or is the credit only given once, or if at all? If so, why are you encouraged to bring the bottles back? My wife is Crotaian speaking, and she can't figure it out. In the UK of course I could sort it in a moment. But, when you're all at sea...it's another matter. A worse senario is....80/90p a litre. (UK money, what other real money is there?) So you're doing okay, IF you like beer. But Jeez it's hot here right now. If you're not used to it, think about it. And my wife is being bitten by everything and its mother. Suffering. And I mean that most sicerely. Really suffering. i wrote that about my country, good ol U.S of A. it wasnt about Croatia.
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Post by alsdoubles on Jul 24, 2004 14:41:41 GMT 1
As a final word on drinking in Croatia. I am becoming a serial bore I regret. As of last Monday driving laws have been changed. You drink, you leave your car at home. Zero drink. They're also trying to encourqage the scooter posers to don hard helmets. Measures to bring down the road death carnage. Drive - no drink, oh dear. And that also refers to last night's skin full. So, think about it. And just THIS ONCE I will use a dreaded smiledy:
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Post by Rude American Guest on Jul 25, 2004 4:01:34 GMT 1
i hope that you are seriously joking about drinking and driving.
Drinking and driving dont mix. period. (and before you say a word about it, i lost 3 friends to a drunk driver)
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Post by alsdoubles on Jul 26, 2004 22:18:26 GMT 1
i hope that you are seriously joking about drinking and driving. Drinking and driving dont mix. period. (and before you say a word about it, i lost 3 friends to a drunk driver) Beautiful. And it had to be a rude Amercian. I was waiting for it with GREAT anticipation. Havala bogu. Aint Americans just wonderful human beings. I have always found, drinking within the limits of civilised countries, and being an 'intelligent drinker' (Wow, that almost sounds like an Amercianism, but isn't!) I have always been incontrol of my vehicle. And I have known many walking dead people through driving. Seen a few. Picked a few up even. Lost a few, had my daughter trippled rolled in a drink/drugs driver car, some years ago. But, in a country where people start drinking when they fall out of bed, to introduce zero tolerence is pretty stupid. And, they're not policing it a lot. Neither are they policing the motorbike helmet thing. I've seen many helmets recently, as they must be busting a few. But, today, a string of five went by...posing with their mobile phones and Gucci sun glasses. The last driver, he had a helmet on. He must have felt un-cool. He pulled it off, almost embarassed. They're not policing it 'buddy'. And the roads are full of cars that wouldn't pass-out if you gave them a chance. Total rust buckets. And many people are unlicenced and uninsured in Croatia. So, and I would like to suggest to all Americans, get down off the high horse. You're embarrasing up there, truly. You cannot teach the world...ANYTHING AT ALL! Drink driving to excess is unwise. But many things in this world are unwise...Yes?
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Post by rAg on Jul 27, 2004 20:50:18 GMT 1
Beautiful. And it had to be a rude Amercian. I was waiting for it with GREAT anticipation. Havala bogu. Aint Americans just wonderful human beings. I have always found, drinking within the limits of civilised countries, and being an 'intelligent drinker' (Wow, that almost sounds like an Amercianism, but isn't!) I have always been incontrol of my vehicle. And I have known many walking dead people through driving. Seen a few. Picked a few up even. Lost a few, had my daughter trippled rolled in a drink/drugs driver car, some years ago. But, in a country where people start drinking when they fall out of bed, to introduce zero tolerence is pretty stupid. And, they're not policing it a lot. Neither are they policing the motorbike helmet thing. I've seen many helmets recently, as they must be busting a few. But, today, a string of five went by...posing with their mobile phones and Gucci sun glasses. The last driver, he had a helmet on. He must have felt un-cool. He pulled it off, almost embarassed. They're not policing it 'buddy'. And the roads are full of cars that wouldn't pass-out if you gave them a chance. Total rust buckets. And many people are unlicenced and uninsured in Croatia. So, and I would like to suggest to all Americans, get down off the high horse. You're embarrasing up there, truly. You cannot teach the world...ANYTHING AT ALL! Drink driving to excess is unwise. But many things in this world are unwise...Yes? get off my high horse? this from a guy who drinks and drive and thinks that "sensible" driving while drinking is "ok"? tell that to my friends who died. i didnt say anything about U.S. teaching the world anything. i just said drinking and driving is not a good thing. stop whining about the laws and just obey it.
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Post by rAg on Jul 27, 2004 20:51:54 GMT 1
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Post by Anja on Jul 27, 2004 22:02:39 GMT 1
Last week near Split a woman tourist was killed while walking in the street with her 4 children. The driver was drunk, underaged, did not have a driving licence and his car was not even registered. I think Croatia needs this law, just for the people to get some facts straight..
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Post by Catticus on Jul 28, 2004 1:04:32 GMT 1
dear god...the sun and adriatic air has obviously gone to the englishmans head...not to drone on about the drink driving thing, but having just returned from an extended holiday in the fine country in question, the only real worry remaining with me at home is the state of the driving over there...the car and moped drivers are bloody scary enough when clean and sober,note walking along the seafront in split...jaysus...bloody right there should be tight laws enforced, set a standard across the continent...and this coming from an irish driver of both car and moped who indeed loves her beer, espeically, i might add, the blessed lasko pivo... a fool is he who even has one for the road...
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Post by alsdoubles on Jul 28, 2004 23:10:57 GMT 1
tell that to my friends who died. Quite simply I do not care about your friend who died. And neither should you. Such tragedies happen. He is beyond our help. Could you help him? And to carry him on your shoulder still is a weight of your choice. Unnecessary. Drink driving to excess is unwise. No more to be said really.
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Post by guest on Jul 30, 2004 7:27:44 GMT 1
Quite simply I do not care about your friend who died. And neither should you. Such tragedies happen. He is beyond our help. Could you help him? And to carry him on your shoulder still is a weight of your choice. Unnecessary. Drink driving to excess is unwise. No more to be said really. tell me where you live cause i dont want ANYWHERE near you. and you are an idiot. thats all i have to say about that.
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