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Post by Dim on Dec 17, 2004 16:53:32 GMT 1
well UK is leading. Lets not kid ourselfs before fall of Berlin wall only countries that had any international influence in Europe were UK and France. Rest was too insignificant or had burdon of WW2. Germany decision to reckognse Croatia and Slovenia was first independant step on international politics scene over some other country.
well concerning Gotovinas picture FYI it is not anymore in Zadar Municipality and Head of Zadar HDZ was kicked out of it due to his attendance of some march where pavelic and Gotovina pictures were displayed.
Listen mr Guest. UK had always good relation with Serbia since 1st ww. even Karadjordjevic hid in London. They have an Idea that whole west balkan should go to EU in one package and that Croatia has to wait for Serbia,Bosnia and Macedonia and those countries especially Bosnia and Serbia with its Kosovo chaos are light years away. Foreign office likes to put us all in same basket and beleive me if it is not Gotovina there would be some other issue as an excuse.
Also Croatia is German-Austrian interest zone and those countries invested most in Croatia and we know about love of UK and Germany.
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Post by Guest on Dec 20, 2004 14:33:27 GMT 1
I think Dims got a bit of a "chip on his shoulder" Let's face it if the Croatian Govt won't abide by the rules to join membership of the EU - They won't be joining...period. Your choice - just like Turkey who've now decided to recognise Cyprus...a much bigger step than handing in a couple of war criminals!
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Post by Tomica on Dec 20, 2004 23:56:54 GMT 1
Gotovina is ALLEGED war criminal. And how can you arrest him and send to the Hague, if he is not hiding in Croatia, but abroad?
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Post by Guest on Dec 21, 2004 14:26:42 GMT 1
Gotovina is ALLEGED war criminal. And how can you arrest him and send to the Hague, if he is not hiding in Croatia, but abroad? And I 'spose you've got fairies living at the bottom of your garden?
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Post by Steve Peraic on Feb 14, 2005 21:07:30 GMT 1
the uk gov'm and the us both seem to suffer from a colonial mentality, imposing their cultural viewpoint on the rest of the world, this planet is not their playground, it's resources do not belong to uk/us corporations, if we have to indict all war criminals where do we stop, Blair, Bush, Bomber Harris, Queen bloody Victoria... all have far more to answer for than Gotovina, guest your opinions are just that, none of us has the copywrite on truth. Sometimes it is better to draw a line under events and move forward Steve Peraic
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Post by loveu2 on Feb 14, 2005 22:45:40 GMT 1
the uk gov'm and the us both seem to suffer from a colonial mentality, imposing their cultural viewpoint on the rest of the world, this planet is not their playground, it's resources do not belong to uk/us corporations, if we have to indict all war criminals where do we stop, Blair, Bush, Bomber Harris, Queen bloody Victoria... all have far more to answer for than Gotovina, guest your opinions are just that, none of us has the copywrite on truth. Sometimes it is better to draw a line under events and move forward Steve Peraic Well said
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Post by EMIZ on Feb 15, 2005 2:11:00 GMT 1
Croats have this idea that all Brits are Serb loving Croat haters, the truth is that 99% of brits couldn't care less about Croats are Serbs. A lot of this comes from the fact that Croatia and Germany were on the same WRONG side during World War II.
Brits certainly don't have the judgmental view that many Croats hold about brits. The only negative thing you will hear from brits about Balkan people will be related to the atrocious behaviour in the last war.
I myself had no preconceived ideas about Croats, I came here and then I realised that most of them are ****'s
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Post by Culchie on Feb 15, 2005 14:34:09 GMT 1
EMIZ,
I admire your willingless to put your opinion across on most occasions, but there is no need to go insulting 'most Croats' because I doubt it is true.
'Most Croats' will be the silent majority who have come from a different upbringing, and don't know how to change the system, or improve things.
'Most Croats' place their trust is placed in the hands of their politicians. They need their politicians to kickstart the economy by reducing interest rates, eliminating corruption, investing in capital projects, then 'Most Croats' will see a different scenario....what happens in a thriving economy. Entrepreneurship is rewarded, hard work is rewarded...The High tide rises all boats scenario.....not just 'The In Club' who have all their interests protected as is the case at the moment.
Every nation in the world has an opinion on the British, not just the Croats. The British Empire and what occurred is wriitten into just about every school history book in the world, so naturally many nations have opinions on the British.
'Most Croats' need education, coaching and guidance to a better future, rather than people for more fortunate and wealthier backgrounds slagging them off, and looking down their noses at them.
As I said at the start, I admire most of your posts, because you say it as it is, but not this time.
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Post by EMIZ on Feb 15, 2005 15:43:54 GMT 1
You are right, and I apologise I was some what influenced by too many vino's. I do not have a high opinion of Croatian life, due to the experience I have had, and due to the attitudes of many people that baffle me, however I have also met many very nice people. I should stop the generalisations, my bad.
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Post by Culchie on Feb 15, 2005 15:50:55 GMT 1
Fair play to you.
You have been dealing with and messed around by the very system that needs changing.
Culture is what needs changing, and it takes time.
However, you are the pioneer on this board, so keep it coming, just keep that bullets aimed at the right targets !
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Post by Ribaric on Feb 16, 2005 23:56:18 GMT 1
I accept that, on the face of it, the UK government is holding up EU talks with Croatia over Gotovina. They probably don't care a jot about him. There is probably a secret deal between the European states to share out the blame of "who will block who". Why does Germany oppose Turkey's attempts to set a negotiation timetable despite the UK's support of it?
It may just be that UK, Germany (and probably most of the others) are in collusion and will prevent anyone from joining unless it suits them. They just share out the blame and each has to find some kind of reason to put to the media. If it wasn't Gotovina it would be something else. Some states are queens, others are pawns.
The EU states now have the kind of foreign power policy as does the USA, they have muscles and they are using them for their own interests. Who wouldn't?
Why is this thread in the "travel news" area?
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Post by Old Guest on Feb 17, 2005 4:46:27 GMT 1
I accept that, on the face of it, the UK government is holding up EU talks with Croatia over Gotovina. They probably don't care a jot about him. There is probably a secret deal between the European states to share out the blame of "who will block who". Why does Germany oppose Turkey's attempts to set a negotiation timetable despite the UK's support of it? It may just be that UK, Germany (and probably most of the others) are in collusion and will prevent anyone from joining unless it suits them. They just share out the blame and each has to find some kind of reason to put to the media. If it wasn't Gotovina it would be something else. Some states are queens, others are pawns. The EU states now have the kind of foreign power policy as does the USA, they have muscles and they are using them for their own interests. Who wouldn't? Why is this thread in the "travel news" area? Mostly, same countries which are against Turkey are pro-Croatia. So, for those who support Turkey it is huge risk to alow Croatia to join, because then they will hardly "blackmail" Germany, Austria and others. I don't hink Germany started initiative about "general referendum" inside EU about new members, with agenda (which soesnt include countries that started negotiations). Honnestly, I think that Gotovina is important at all.
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Post by Old Guest on Feb 17, 2005 4:48:57 GMT 1
Mostly, same countries which are against Turkey are pro-Croatia. So, for those who support Turkey it is huge risk to alow Croatia to join, because then they will hardly "blackmail" Germany, Austria and others. I don't hink Germany started initiative about "general referendum" inside EU about new members, with agenda (which soesnt include countries that started negotiations). Honnestly, I think that Gotovina is important at all. Sorry, people - broken keyboard, and tired fingers ... So I wanted to say that I don't think that Gotovina is important ... Rest is also mixed up, but ...
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Post by EMIZ on Feb 17, 2005 13:06:31 GMT 1
The clue is in the title.
If English politicians hold one tenth of the attitude towards Croatia, than most Croatians hold towards British people, Croatia will never make the EU.
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Post by Old Guest on Feb 18, 2005 5:50:51 GMT 1
The clue is in the title. If English politicians hold one tenth of the attitude towards Croatia, than most Croatians hold towards British people, Croatia will never make the EU. EU = UK ?
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