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Post by irac on Nov 21, 2006 7:57:24 GMT 1
Word from a big music promoter here is that the whole deal was staged and a scam. Insurance will pay out, if the case was taken up by the FBI to it's fullest there'd be no windfall. Seve made out like a bandit!
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Post by capio on Nov 21, 2006 8:13:42 GMT 1
Ludilousa reporting: DO THE CROATS IN CROATIA HATE SERBS(and vice versa) AS MUCH AS AMERICAN CROATS? Yup they do.
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Post by ROG on Nov 21, 2006 8:27:49 GMT 1
the organizers of the shows are either croats or serbs to my knowledge. it was not a big company or promoter bringing them in which would have required "word of mouth" and local support to bring a large crowd. It is not important who are organizers/promoters (it is sure they are not Americans) ... Important is that after tour financially failed (on legal surface), suddenly "it become important who organizers/promoters are", because organizers/promoters on themselves started to promote - "who they are" ... Tell me, how will story about "one whole army of primitive 24/7 Serb hating Croats, hidden for ages in dark shadows across the Ocean, just waiting for right moment to finally stick their bloody teeth's in Joan D' Arc's (Severina, followed with "apostle's of peace" - promoters) neck" - hold watter, if nobody knew "who they are"? ... Come on ... I see Balkan ... Oooo man how I see Balkan ... I can almost smell it ... And now this whole dangerous Serbs hating "Croats army" doesn't have even few thousand young "deserters" to buy tickets and join "Balkan peace forces" ? And of course - "threats" are traveling on their own from California to Canada because this is legally more convenient (and does not involve FBI) ? Come on ... P.S. I just love "coincidences". Such as - on Vukovar anniversary day suddenly everybody is talking and writing about American-Croats "hating, boycotting and threating" Serbs (as it seams to be promoters "job description") across the Ocean. And our Balkan Joan D' Arc is involving her heart, tears and good voice in preventing "genocide in development" by "giving up on everything" and flying back in first class, all in the name of humanity, love and peace ... So let's hate those "primitive" American-Croats and never again let them ask question about - "what happened with all that money they was sending us during the war" ... We don't need them any more ... We will live in "peace" here, sharing our Balkans-destiny, protected by our own "Balkan peace forces", sink in "rakija" and randomly piss on anybodies grave, warming ourselves in mutual mud, and relaxing our pore but happy souls in company of naked "cajkas" ... Only if EU could send us some more money (without asking too much questions) ... because, you know - "cajkas" are expensive ... Ehhh ... coincidences ... ehhh Balkans ...steady as a rock ...
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Post by ludilousa on Nov 21, 2006 14:10:18 GMT 1
ROG: i don't exactly know what you were trying to say with that last post but it was pretty cool and poetic.
To clarify:
I bought a ticket after croats told me they were "boycotting" the severina concert. i was planning on going with a bosnian croat, a bosnian muslim, another croatian american like myself, and a serb. I could have bought tickets to zadarska noc and driven an hour one way to go to the "all croatian party" but i didn't want to drive that far, severina was playing 4 miles from my house.
Also, despite being told that "there could be a fight" because there would be "lots of serbs" did not stop me from buying a ticket. i don't even like Severina. I just thought it would be fun to go to a "balkan" concert and meet other people.
I wonder if they planned this "scam" from the beginning or decided to fake the bomb threat after they didn't presell any tickets?
I wasn't trying to spread any "propaganda" on the anniversary of vukovar. I also don't think that Croatian nationalism is as bad as it seems. most of it is just talk and younger generations adopting their older parents or grandparents prejudices against serbs. At least for those born here who did not live through the war or lose family.
That is what i understand the least. we are in america, the war is long over and there hasn't been a war in america. I think smart people in the US try to work and save as much money as possible and have fun. I don't mind hanging out with serbs during peacefull times. Of course if a war broke out i would pick sides but its 2006 right now and there is no war between our people, only the future which we must work towards to fulfill our true potential.
Also, i have friends who are from Bosnia who never mention hating muslims or serbs and they lost everything in the war to one or both groups so i don't know...i'm just thinking out loud i guess. maybe some of you have some insight that can help me to understand some of these questions.
PS croatian americans who have family back in the old country sent back alot of money before during and after the war and continue to do so.
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Post by Charles on Nov 21, 2006 14:44:56 GMT 1
I think Americans who have a particular ethnic / cultural origin tend to get a bit misty-eyed about the 'homeland' Look at what Noraid did for the IRA. Also, a friend refused to take me into a bar in South Boston because I was English and I 'wouldn't come out alive'!!
You'll never stop some Croats hating the Serbs and vice versa but you can make it an unacceptable, minority opinion which should never be tolerated or condoned. Time is nature's biggest healer.
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Post by carthan81 on Nov 21, 2006 19:06:28 GMT 1
www.esctoday.com/news/read/6791This is a joke, right? These people do nothing to help their relatives "back home" by taking such a stance. Have they not heard that the war finished over 10 years ago? I've never heard a Croat say a bad word against a Serb, and vice versa, whilst travelling around ex-Yu, (or in London). Ok, maybe not everyone has forgiven, but they're letting it pass. So why is the US diaspora still so fiery? This all stems from an American viewpoint, rather than a Croatian one. These people should take a holiday - preferably to south east Europe.
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Post by ludilousa on Nov 21, 2006 20:29:20 GMT 1
well its like charles state above people get "misty eyed" about the homeland. and they perpetuate their grandparents and parents prejudices.
i'm not trying to blow this out of proportion. i think most croatian americans and most american serbs are normal people trying to live their lives. there are maniacs on both sides.
so it was boycotted! i knew it! oh well. i think its stupid to boycott it because a serb promoted the concert.
serbs are smart and just want to make money. croatians shouldn't get all bent out of shape or scared of them. instead they should be smart and try to make money and have fun too.
move forward now during these times of peace. i'm sure there will be opportunities to fight, pillage, and kill again in the future. let's take a "time out" from the fighting.
PS SEVERINA SHOULD STICK TO FILM. I THINK SHE IS A MUCH BETTER ACTRESS THAN SINGER. SHE DESERVES AN OSCAR FOR HER "FILM."
CHARLES: I think your friend was overexaggerating not being able to go into a bar in Boston because you are english. i find that hard to believe. Sure maybe someone would have "busted your balls a little bit" but no fighting...and i doubt they would say anything at all. I'm sure your friend believes that or wants to believe that. Of course i could be wrong but i find it hard to believe.
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Post by pocketvenus on Nov 22, 2006 9:45:58 GMT 1
Carman81, I wrote that article!
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Post by ludilousa on Nov 22, 2006 20:20:16 GMT 1
severina should stick to making movies anyway.
;D
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Post by ROG on Nov 24, 2006 12:19:33 GMT 1
ROG: i don't exactly know what you were trying to say with that last post but it was pretty cool and poetic. To clarify: I bought a ticket after croats told me they were "boycotting" the severina concert. i was planning on going with a bosnian croat, a bosnian muslim, another croatian american like myself, and a serb. I could have bought tickets to zadarska noc and driven an hour one way to go to the "all croatian party" but i didn't want to drive that far, severina was playing 4 miles from my house. Also, despite being told that "there could be a fight" because there would be "lots of serbs" did not stop me from buying a ticket. i don't even like Severina. I just thought it would be fun to go to a "balkan" concert and meet other people. I wonder if they planned this "scam" from the beginning or decided to fake the bomb threat after they didn't presell any tickets? I wasn't trying to spread any "propaganda" on the anniversary of vukovar. I also don't think that Croatian nationalism is as bad as it seems. most of it is just talk and younger generations adopting their older parents or grandparents prejudices against serbs. At least for those born here who did not live through the war or lose family. That is what i understand the least. we are in america, the war is long over and there hasn't been a war in america. I think smart people in the US try to work and save as much money as possible and have fun. I don't mind hanging out with serbs during peacefull times. Of course if a war broke out i would pick sides but its 2006 right now and there is no war between our people, only the future which we must work towards to fulfill our true potential. Also, i have friends who are from Bosnia who never mention hating muslims or serbs and they lost everything in the war to one or both groups so i don't know...i'm just thinking out loud i guess. maybe some of you have some insight that can help me to understand some of these questions. PS croatian americans who have family back in the old country sent back alot of money before during and after the war and continue to do so. Well ... it is obvious what I wanted to say ... so let's forget Severina for a moment, since she was always just small piece inside wide context of Croatian over-politized society ... Indeed American Croats sent loads of money (and not just money) to help Croatia to defend from aggression (truth - not sarcasm, more money then EU invested in Croatia) ... and indeed politics here (and not just here) don't want anybody to ask any questions about that money and it's "investment value" (both prime-minister, president, opposition and EU)... On "public level", mentioning Vukovar as it is (and was) is just not "politically correct" in moment when Croatian political elite is siting on thin border between being recognized as "mafia" or "progressive reform forces" by EU, all depending on "EU's plans for region, today" ("political lottery" in which Cro-polititians already lost). They are "blackmailed" from few sides ("octopusy" they created on themselves) at same time, and they are not able to make decisions on their own about anything ... so they started to follow "animal instincts" ... In such position, Croatian politicians logically (animally) tends to enter (hide) deeper in Balkan mud as possible, because there is so much mafia and crime inside - even they would be recognized as "angels" in such "environment" ... On other side American-Croats are influencing American politics to deal with "mafia issues in Croatia" since only this gives garantee for safe investments and free market, and at same time are pushing Croatia quickly inside NATO, to cut this planed "Balkan step back maneuver" (supported by EU) in advance ... Of course this doesn't sound like music for Croatian politicians ears, raises panic and fear (and brings huge - jail perspective) - so they are desperately searching for any political help/promise EU can give them, and they will do whatever is necessary "in return" ... At same time all this makes EU happy (kind off), since EU never planed USA to have "strategical partners" in Balkan area. EU decided long time ago to deal with area "in package" (bordering it with Slovenia, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria), and certainly wasn't planing any "intermediates, mid-negotiators and investors from the past" asking for "shares" - when process of "buying off Balkans" starts ... EU was happy with American politics dealing with Balkans in "general" (on "strategic and security" level), and just wants it back on same position ... Personally, I think "offering American Croats political power" as a head on a plate to please EU (and "domestic audience") is - naive, and just shows scales of panic inside Croatian politics ...
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Post by irac on Nov 24, 2006 15:51:40 GMT 1
Indeed American Croats sent loads of money (and not just money) to help Croatia to defend from aggression quote]I think the reverse is also a little true, especially in the case of the independent Bosnian State and the Croatian Armed Forces Death Squads. Not to mention the monies that funded paramilitary groups who delighted in torturing innocent on all sides and who now largely hold sway in the business and government ranks. But I guess it depends on how you view it, from a HSP kncuckledragging point of view or an intelligent fairminded one.
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Post by ROG on Nov 24, 2006 17:15:54 GMT 1
If you read my whole post, I used term "mafia" more then few times when talking about continuity in local Croatian politics and it's behavior toward Croatia itself, and why not - Bosnia, if you want to expand subject ... I have no problem in blaming HDZ for it's huge part of guilt in Croat-Muslim war in Bosnia ... But Hague court is dealing with all this anyway, and I believe nobody will escape justice at the end ...
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Post by crojoe on Sept 27, 2011 9:38:56 GMT 1
Hi I found that a member asked same question in this forum some months ago. Pls use search box to find this questions with comments Didn't sweet pretty "mole on right cheek" Severina marry a Serb Millionaire? How’s that for braking down the walls of conformity and mending cross border relationships (lets hope it doesn’t end up in the "museum of broken hearts"?.
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Post by totalcroatia on Sept 27, 2011 10:26:42 GMT 1
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