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Post by polako on Sept 15, 2008 15:22:18 GMT 1
Nope sorry. I would love to know the answer too.
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Post by Madgolfer on Sept 22, 2008 9:15:08 GMT 1
We asked this question in June on behalf of a client and the response was...... We have chaced it up three times in July, Aug and Sept and are still waiting for a reply to our origional letter.........I will post the advice when and if it arrives. I cannot see how they could continue processing current MOJ applications already in the system, while applications from 01.02.09 would simply be passed under the new law. Re the other earlier posts from OPP and other Q"proffessionals"EQ such staements as "50% rise in 2 years etc" I think are made for media benefit. OK property prices in new EU member states do generally increase, but with everything else that is happening in the global economy, this cannot not be taken for granted as many people seem to be implying.
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Post by mirabelle on Sept 22, 2008 10:49:42 GMT 1
Even if the new law is passed & ready to be implemented in Feb 2009 does it mean it will be implemented there & then.
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Post by polako on Sept 22, 2008 11:20:30 GMT 1
Even if the new law is passed & ready to be implemented in Feb 2009 does it mean it will be implemented there & then. They have to get rid of discriminatory processes in the buying and selling of property for EU nationals in Feb 2009 according to the SAA. If there is no law, that is their problem as far as I am concerned as the SAA is very clear on that- article 60. See MOJ permission thread for a copy of the SAA in Englesi.
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Post by sksk on Sept 22, 2008 17:01:35 GMT 1
So, EU nationals may benefit from the rule change. What about non-EU nationals. Yanks and Canadians, for instance. I would assume the permission wait would reduce if all the EU buyers no longer bogged down the Ministry.
SK
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Post by rijekafan on Oct 19, 2008 18:37:53 GMT 1
Hi,
I am an Aussie. My accountant told me about the changes to the rules. She says it applies to everyone but I have the feeling it only applies to Europeans. Does anyone know if Aussies can ditch their d.o.o's after feb 2009?
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Post by polako on Oct 19, 2008 18:46:42 GMT 1
rijekafan- The Feb 2009 changes in purchasing property and the removal of the need for MOJ permission only applies to EU nationals- see above posts and also the Stabilisation and Association Agreement between Croatia and the EU member states.
Sksk's post above is helpful as it hopefully will be the case that the MOJ permission process for non- EU nationals will be speeded up as a result of EU nationals not clogging the system anymore.
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Post by jenrif on Oct 25, 2008 19:31:37 GMT 1
wonder if Bosnians will be allowed to buy in future (since we're not EU).....we've had to watch the spiraling prices in what was once part of our country but not been able to buy....Germans and Brits could buy and we couldn't. I'm happy at least that my friend , a Croat who took Italian passport during the yugoslavian war (his wife is Italian) , can now at least think of buying a house in his homeland. To date Italians have not been allowed to buy - even if they are Croatian descent- but Germans can - where's the logic in that!?? And to be honest all of you that bought and had issues knew that you were buying at pre EU prices...so always a risk...if there weren't risks and wait times,etc then the prices would have been higher.
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Post by Ribaric on Oct 25, 2008 21:23:20 GMT 1
Welcome jenrif. I disagree with everything you've written - but welcome nonetheless.
BiH was part of Jugoslavia but it isn't part of Croatia, history does that. The logic in preventing Italians from buying is that Croatia doesn't want Istria becoming an Italian Kosovo, not that it has the choice any more. Why was it a risk to buy at pre-EU prices? All the ex-pats I know bought homes in a country called Croatia, not for profit, not to make a killing, just to live here - legally - because we like the place. Who's to say that post EU prices will be any higher anyway?
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Post by jenrif on Oct 25, 2008 22:32:53 GMT 1
Hi Ribaric - correct that BIH is not a part of croatia....but when I lived in Croatia (and married in Slovenia) it was all part of Yugoslavia and I just wanted to say that it has been frustrating watching house prices go up as Germans and Brits purchase and we can't. Not asking for sympathy. And yes you are right - history does that....but thats my point on risk - if you buy in a country that isn't stable then there is risk....you're all moaning about changes in aliens laws,etc but why would you think they wouldn't change? Yes perhaps Croatia didn't want an Italian takeover but they now think they have that with the germans,etc so they go and change the immigration policy.They are wrong to do that (and wrong in their hate comments about Brits/Germans) but try telling them that. And yes you bought not to make a profit but you also bought because it was relatively cheap and again thats because it wasn't stable. In any case I hope the Balkans will be brought into EU ASAP - house prices are irrelevant in the bigger picture of stability - I would certainly pay more for my house if I knew I was less likely to be in a country at war. Maybe I was naive but I stood on my property in 1991 in a small village near Bihac just weeks before the war started and said I'll never sell since this is a safe place in the middle of nowhere that no-one is interested in. A paradise when the world goes mad. How wrong - just weeks later the front line went straight through my garden!!! and before you come back and say its different in Croatia...yes I know the risks are not of war...but a turnaround by the government on policies (not to mention the attitude of locals) can also be frustrating
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Post by jenrif on Oct 25, 2008 22:41:55 GMT 1
and BTW we also like Croatia and would have liked to live there legally (I didn't consider setting up a dormant company as really legal so didn't go that path)......but we live in Greece instead...sun,sea just as good - actually better...and we know our purchase (albeit more costly than Croatia) is totally legal. Though its still the Balkans so I won't claim that there's any less bureaucracy here - probably worse .
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Post by polako on Oct 25, 2008 23:11:43 GMT 1
Can someone help me please, I was under the impression that Yugoslavians were able to buy property anywhere in Yugoslavia (before it broke up) as some Slovenians (who are some friends' neighbours) bought property in Istria when it was Yugoslavia and they still own it now. Am I mistaken? Was that the case for all ethnic groups in Yugo?
Jenrif- I can understand your frustration, but Croatia entered into bilateral agreements with Britain that allowed us to buy property in Cro before the Italians etc, that is something that they decided- and they too benefit from the bilateral relations with the UK not to mention the vast amounts of £££ that the UK gov has invested in Cro. Now Cro seemingly wants to pull the diplomatic rug from under our feet- which is not right at all in the circumstances.
But it is NOTHING in comparison with what you went through in the war- so I apologise if it sounds whiney!
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Post by jenrif on Oct 26, 2008 1:46:33 GMT 1
yes before the war we all were Yugoslavians and could purchase...unfortunately we didn't expect that our country (for us Yugoslavia was our country - Bosnia was not a country) would "disappear" and we hadn't purchased prior to the war. We too know Slovenians and Bosnians that purchased pre 1991 and still live in Croatia. Our Serb friends however who had houses on the Croatian coast have pretty much all sold or even not sold but some forced out since their houses were suddenly declared as "illegal" builds...though Germans are now living in them so not sure how they are legal for them! ....Serbs living in Croatia bought their houses with life savings and also had the rug pulled out from under their feet. (BTW we are ethnic Muslim so its not that I'm on the serb side - I just don't like injustice wherever its at) I agree with you that its not right what Croatia is doing with the Brits - its totally disgusting. But not surprising to me. Remember Croatia also played its part in ethnic cleansing in the 90s. And all of the Balkans is known for its arrogance - "we're the best, we're right, ,we are so clever, you can buy a house but this country is ours and we will be sure that you don't forget it" Its typical of the Balkan attitude - take what they can get (when it comes to aid and handouts they are 1st in line but they have never heard of volunteering to help others),milk the cow and then change the rules. Could you imagine if UK were to suddenly do the same to Croatians resident in UK??!! Perhaps UK should try it.
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Post by ray51 on Oct 26, 2008 8:44:59 GMT 1
Hi , jenrif ! ...and : careful ! ( read : proceed with caution , before you , too , get branded a "yugo-nostalgic" , just because you can remember days when there were no Lexuses in Zagreb , so : not that many successful bombings , either ) In my gimnazija/university days , I had Bosnian muslim friends in Zagreb in whose homes there were Koran and islamic literature and insignia , on prominent display ; - and who would nevertheless attend polnocka and drink GluhWein with all of us , happily , thereafter... some of the nicest people and memories , of my youth in HR ... sadly , they are all long gone , many are v. successful in their chosen careeer fields - and can nowadays be found in Vienna , Stockholm , Toronto , Paris , even Melbourne ... "to je nama nasha borba dala"
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Post by Carol on Oct 26, 2008 8:55:22 GMT 1
I know BIH people who own property in Croatia so are you sure that they CAN'T buy property in Croatia or do you just mean that they generally do not have enough money to buy in Croatia/
As to Italians, they weren't allowed to buy property in Croatia at one time, but didn't that law get changed in 2005/6?
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