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Post by Carol on Feb 10, 2009 10:59:05 GMT 1
I am surprised no one has mentioned these so far. Since 1/1/09 Croatia has introduced a new system of ID/ personal tax numbers called the OIB numbers which are intended to replace the private persons JMBG number and the company MB number. They are important because they are needed for all official transactions, including registering a property. They are obtained from the Ministry of Finance and they can be looked up on the website www.oib.hr/. Officially there is supposed to be a one year run in period where the old and new sets of numbers are equally valid and can both be used. However we tried to register a property purchase yesterday for an EU national and were told that the minister in charge has issued a directive that contracts using passport numbers/ MB numbers/ JMBG numbers are no longer acceptable. This means that foreigners need to obtain a OIB number too to register their property ownership. It doesn't matter if you bought prior to 2009, if you want to register the ownership then the contract should state the seller and the buyers OIB numbers or at least there should be an annex to the contract with the numbers. Its going to be a mess especially since 1/2/09 when the EU owners who never got their MOJ permission are now able to register their purchase so there would have been a log jam at the land registry anyway.
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Post by Carol on Feb 10, 2009 11:01:07 GMT 1
BTW I don't know how foreigners who do not live in Croatia can be given an OIB number or how they go about obtaining one. We asked the tax office yesterday and the lady there didn't know either.
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Post by polako on Feb 10, 2009 11:19:12 GMT 1
Presumably if you are already on the land register as the property owner, then there is no need to get an OIB number. They can't make up the rules to apply retrospectively. Is that right Carol? Personally I think that any additional hurdle for a UK national to obtain a personal tax number in order to purchase property/register property is in breach of the EU principle of reciprocity (as there no such requirement placed on Cro nationals purchasing in the UK). Seriously, who is advising Jandrokovic (Foreign minister) on EU law, as they are doing a pants job!!!!
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Post by gmh on Feb 10, 2009 11:29:11 GMT 1
If you live in Croatia (legally) then you just have to sit and wait to get your OIB. They have some system going that's printing thousands a day and sending them out but who knows in what order. I got mine yesterday and my surname starts with H and I'm in Zagreb. My wife got hers weeks ago. You need to sign for it when it's delivered.
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Post by galant on Feb 10, 2009 11:38:52 GMT 1
you know why they are bringing in the OIB? cos the micro chip implants that are planned for the future need that as part of how they work, as part of the database. i know it sounds ridiculous, but i rekon it is true. the Oib is not there to stop corruption, cos corrupt people can do whatever they bloody want to do, nomatter how many oibs or restrictions, or jmbgs or fueding neighbours you throw at them.
"on ce te tuziti, ima veze u opcini u u sudu, cuvajte se." how many of you out there have heard that sentence before. ?
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Post by justapixel on Feb 10, 2009 11:46:25 GMT 1
OIB is just another unique personal number, another government fiasco to replace the previous fiasco when someone decided that JMBG is not appropriate because it somehow "violates privacy". FYI JMBG was a unique number that every person born in Ex-Yu or Croatia afterwards had. Of course, most private companies and government databases used JMBG as the primary key, and suddenly it was void. We had to carry two personal ID's, one new and the other old with printed JMBG because it was needed everywhere. Now they've finally realized they've made a mistake, but as usual they don't want to admit it and revert back, but are spending more money to introduce another unique number. Talk about stupidity... .
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Post by Carol on Feb 10, 2009 11:46:36 GMT 1
Polako - I really don't know but it would make sense. however you'd need it to sell..... and I don't know what the clerks at the land reg. will do for those who submitted their application some time ago but are still waiting for the VL to be updated. It may well turn out to be a different answer for every land registry (we've seen this sort of inconsistency with countless other things).
VL = Vlasnicki List (sorry for the shorthand)
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Post by solitum on Feb 11, 2009 9:18:29 GMT 1
If you live in Croatia (legally) then you just have to sit and wait to get your OIB. Yesterday I also received the OIB number, i am living in Split and last name start with S, so waiting as gmh said seams to be right thing to do ;D
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Post by justapixel on Feb 11, 2009 9:56:49 GMT 1
Yesterday I also received the OIB number, i am living in Split and last name start with S, so waiting as gmh said seams to be right thing to do ;D ...except in my case, since the address where I currently live is not the same as the one they have registered and OIB will be returned to sender. Never mind, OIB is also available online. .
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Post by galant on Feb 12, 2009 0:38:47 GMT 1
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Post by justapixel on Feb 12, 2009 2:01:20 GMT 1
OIB is one step closer to the verichip. as are the passports with antennas. Then Yugo did that step way back in 1976 when JMBG was introduced. ;D .
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Post by galant on Feb 12, 2009 9:17:48 GMT 1
yeah its the same idea, but on a smaller scale. yugo was communism, they wnted to know everything about people. one dictator, listen to him and his pyramidical hierarchy of corruptiuon and social self enforcement, with the fear element being the all seeing eye udba types and the ultimate goli otok island, where you couldve had your head bashed in by a 20 kilo wooden sledge hammer. . thats why we all have our jmbg, copy of our osobna id card and fingerprints at the local mup, and were not even criminals!
the verichip is very very real.
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Post by justapixel on Feb 12, 2009 9:29:41 GMT 1
yeah its the same idea, but on a smaller scale. yugo was communism, they wnted to know everything about people. one dictator, listen to him and his pyramidical hierarchy of corruptiuon and social self enforcement, with the fear element being the all seeing eye udba types and the ultimate goli otok island, where you couldve had your head bashed in by a 20 kilo wooden sledge hammer. Ok, so yugo was communism. What then about USA and Social Security Number, UK and National Insurance number, all kinds of other unique citizen numbers find in most other countries? . thats why we all have our jmbg, copy of our osobna id card and fingerprints at the local mup, and were not even criminals! The only thing that I object (albeit slightly) is having my fingerprints taken. you cant travel, you cant get a visa, you cant spend or earn money, you cant do anything. its not conspiracy theory. its real. Try to do that without the passport. What's the difference, anyway? .
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Post by Ribaric on Feb 12, 2009 10:54:28 GMT 1
Have now joined the OIB set. Will it be taken away if I become illegal?
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Post by prkbrk on Feb 12, 2009 11:58:32 GMT 1
Have now joined the OIB set. Will it be taken away if I become illegal? I would imagine it would become 'inactive' if your visa expires and is not subsequently renewed - as an aside last year when i renewed my temp visa i found that for a period of about 2-3 months i was 'removed' from the health insurance eligibility list - it seems it can take a few months for the renewal information to get from the MUP to the health insurance folk to confirm you are still resident - am just now paying my back dues for the last 6 months!
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