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Post by justapixel on Feb 12, 2009 12:36:02 GMT 1
Have now joined the OIB set. Will it be taken away if I become illegal? Such things as OIB's are more permanent than your mere mortal presence. You'll probably only be flagged as "illegal", "terminate on sight", or whatever fits your unacceptable demeanor.  . |
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Post by justapixel on Feb 12, 2009 12:39:24 GMT 1
I would imagine it would become 'inactive' if your visa expires and is not subsequently renewed - as an aside last year when i renewed my temp visa i found that for a period of about 2-3 months i was 'removed' from the health insurance eligibility list - it seems it can take a few months for the renewal information to get from the MUP to the health insurance folk to confirm you are still resident - am just now paying my back dues for the last 6 months! Yeah, information propagation within The System can sometimes be extremely sloooow. I'm pretty sure they're still using stone tablets, similarly I have already been confirmed that they're employing mostly Neanderthals. . |
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Post by galant on Feb 12, 2009 12:54:02 GMT 1
i just refered to communism when you metioned the jmbg and idea behind that. it being a communist dictatorship and all that. very much the same idea and philosophy that wants a one world everything.
i know that america australia have tax file numbers. thats what im telling you...they are standardizing the world with the tax file number or OIB. how else will it function world wide unless its everwhere. i would love to know eho suggested it to finaince"minister" suker? and why he went through with it?
you cant have croats going to america and spending cash that noone knows about, you cant have americans going to croatia and spending cash however they want. they have to be totaly reliant on the chip system , standardised taxfile numbers etc...
thats why the oib is coming in.
why is it so hard to believe?
you know if they bring the verichip in now, that children later born into a world where the verichip is standard will have no problem with it whatsoever, they will believe its normal, and they wont be able to understand or imagine a system without it.
like dvd players, computers, lawn moers, cars, wathces, electricity and water on tap, supermarkets, etc... all those things just krept into out lives with no problem and we dont even think about using them today.
verichip, is real.
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Post by Carol on Feb 25, 2009 11:59:27 GMT 1
for property buyers/ sellers and generally anyone who might want the land registry to do something for them in the future: YOU NEED AN OIB NUMBER.
People living in Croatia - foreigners included - have been issued with them but those who live abroad have not but you still need one. They are issued by the tax office (Ministry of Finance) and you have to go in person to request one. There is no power of attorney which can be written to cover someone else to do it for you. The group who should be most interested in this are those who bought pre-2009 but whose names are not on Vlasnicki List yet as the property owner because until you provide the land registry with your OIB number, your name will not go on the ownership deeds.
(Apparently this is what the Minister in charge of the land registries has ordered.)
I hope it helps.
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Post by felicia on Feb 25, 2009 13:20:42 GMT 1
What about existing "proud" owners of property purchased pre 2008 who are already on land registry but do not live in or have residency in Cro and can neither occupy permanently nor rent out said property (let alone sell it on in current economic climate)? Do they have to register with tax office as well? What have the tax office to do with it? Do they know about bi-lateral agreement with UK?
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Post by Carol on Feb 25, 2009 13:30:43 GMT 1
Those owners would need to obtain a OIB number before selling. I don't think what they can do with the property really comes into it in this instance, unless I am missing something? Presumably the tax office does know that there are bi-lateral agreements with most (if not all) EU countries and they don't seem particularly enthused about the extra task that's been set them, but the land registry clerks won't update the ownership records without an OIB numbers so it seems a good idea to go and get one.
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Post by felicia on Feb 25, 2009 13:45:09 GMT 1
I was rather hoping that if, as you say, the Minister in charge of the land registries has it within his remit to order such a decree that all property owners must register with the tax office, then presumably it would be within his remit to order that the powers that be comply with the bi-lateral agreement with UK (I do not know about the other countries) as to the usage of said properties as laid out in the agreement notably clause 3 which states:
ARTICL3E
National Treatment and Most-favoured-nation Provisions
(1) Neither Contracting Party shall in its territory subject investments or returns of
nationals or companies of the other Contracting Party to treatment less favourable than
that which it accords to investments or returns of its own nationals or companies or to
investments or returns of nationals or companies of any third State.
(2) Neither Contracting Party shall in its territory subject nationals or companies of the
other Contracting Party, as regards their management, maintenance, use, enjoyment or
disposal of their investments, to treatment less favourable than that which it accords to its
own nationals or companies or to nationals or companies of any third State.
which means that we are entitled to use and dispose of our property in exactly the same (or better) way than any Croatian national. Which means that as a private owner one is entitled to rent out property for tourist lets providing the number of beds does not exceed 16 or rooms 8 whichever is the greater. (Hotel and Catering Law 2006).
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Post by galant on Feb 25, 2009 14:11:12 GMT 1
they need to put a satteltite into oibit now to keep record of the oibs.
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Post by upthevilla on Feb 25, 2009 14:14:59 GMT 1
In theory yes, but in reality NO
This wil only come into affect when Croatia is IN europe until then
the renting restrictions apply.
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Post by felicia on Feb 25, 2009 14:26:55 GMT 1
upthevilla inter alia: You are talking about the "Stabilisation and Association Agreement" in relation to Cro's accession to EU and "Hotel and Catering 2006". I am talking about "The Agreement for the Promotion and Protection of Investments" signed by Croatia and UK in 1997 which came into force in 1998 and remains so.
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Post by Carol on Feb 25, 2009 14:49:30 GMT 1
I was rather hoping that if, as you say, the Minister in charge of the land registries has it within his remit to order such a decree that all property owners must register with the tax office, then presumably it would be within his remit to order that the powers that be comply with the bi-lateral agreement with UK..... It doesn't really work like that Felica. I think you know that though and I agree with you that it would be nice if it did but it doesn't. So what can be done about it? The official route was tested last year for visas and in the end those of us who are British citizens with business interests in Croatia find that we are really totally alone and unsupported. So I don't know what is left but to sit and wait for EU accession or try to bail out. |
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Post by upthevilla on Feb 25, 2009 15:13:59 GMT 1
Ok felicia,
you go down to the catergorisation office or the ministry office and tell them ALL about the agrements that Croatia has and have not signed in the past
You can stand there until you are blue in the face quoting various numbers, dates, bi lateral agreements,hotel and catering laws. policies etc....
and the answer is still NO you cannot rent the property to a tourist as a private foreign person.
So when you write -------
(Which means that as a private owner one is entitled to rent out property for tourist lets providing the number of beds does not exceed 16 or rooms 8 whichever is the greater. (Hotel and Catering Law 2006).
This is in fact not true and is as i said .
In theroy YES in reality NO
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Post by felicia on Feb 25, 2009 15:21:18 GMT 1
I am doing all I can this end and have been in contact with my MP (who is in total agreement that Cro is acting unlawfully in respect of UK property and investments) for nearly a year now and am seeing him again in a couple of weeks. Also the FO Croatia desk who unfortunately has now been transferred (!!!) and the desk is empty (I am not surprised - probably got fed up with the weekly 'phone call!!). What official route was tested last year? Residency does not come under Protection of Property and Investments but freedom to enjoy and use property does. This would naturally (and obviously) include any business investment made by UK nationals. When I get positive and concrete feedback I shall post it.
Upthevilla: Have been to categorization office many times!!! I know what the situation is and that is why I was hoping that someone as powerful as the Minister in charge of the land registry would do something about it!!!! He must be about the only one I have not written to yet!!!
Have you got his address, Carol?
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Post by Carol on Feb 25, 2009 15:44:13 GMT 1
No sorry Felicia I do not have it. My colleague was told by the clerk at the local land registry that he had written a memo to all land registries requiring them to insist on OIB numbers for both parties in any sale. I suspect he did not state that he also insisted that foreign people go to the tax office to obtain an OIB number but it is a clear implication. As it happens all buyers have been obliged to notify the tax office of their purchase for some years now - more than the four years I've been in Croatia. So there is nothing new in buyers (including foreigners) having to let the tax office know what they are doing.
I started this thread to let people know that they need OIB numbers. I am not sure how it has become about the Hotel and catering Law 2006.
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Post by Aleksandra on Feb 25, 2009 23:36:58 GMT 1
So I went to oib web site.
Entered my JMBG from my Domovnica and my name and surname and it appears I do not exist.
Do not have "osobna iskaznica", only have Domovnica.
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