NEW COMPANY REGISTRATION

[mambo]

@ Bebewanna,

You are right, there is not a lot of joy and happiness when you live in Croatia. People sit in coffee bars all day long, dwell over the problems in their life and most of them are just busy surviving from one day to the next.

If you compare this to Italy, Spain or other countries I cannot help but getting a very depressed feeling when I think of Croatians.
Even during the summer many of them are just complaining about salary, life, basically everything. Most of them simply forget to live and I must say that with a government like Croatia has it is also difficult to find any joy.

Even I feel more free now that I have left Croatia. When I was there I always had to be careful about what I would say, even on this forum, but now I can freely speak my mind again.

It is ridiculous that a country with this mentality wants to come into the EU and will be accepted in the EU. Croatian society has nothing to do with the values we hold high in the EU.

But I recently found out that also a country like Poland still lives in the old times. Importing goods into the EU results in endless discussions, and they are not used to customers telling them that they have to abide by EU legislation.
One officer was able to tell me that 'this is Poland, you have to abide by our rules', after which I simply told him that EU legislation supersedes local legislation, which was rather new to him. Also this guy became angry that the old days are over, but he still did not catch on to that concept.

Why do we put up with countries like this ?

[Madgolfer]

"Why do we put up with countries like this ?"

You dont.......you moan about it and then leave.

Those of us who are still here, working our way through, around, over and under the system are the ones who "put up" with it.

[mambo]

That is true !
You put up with it IN Croatia.

But I meant: 'Why do we, read: EU, put up with these countries.

It is obvious that these type of countries don't share the same values as Western Europe and instead of lowering ourselves to that level, we should demand they meet our level before they are allowed to join.

What benefit do we have when countries join and then refuse to adhere to EU regulations ?

[Madgolfer]

That is exactly why new countries join the EU, to improve standards in their own country, raising them to those of the EU member states.

If all countries had to wait until they were already "In-line" with EU standards, it would defeat the object and be a very elitist club.

It seems to me that Croatia is being made to pay the price for having let certain other countries join too soon. Lessons have been learned.

[mambo]

@ Madgolfer

I tend to disagree with you.

The goal should not be that you will meet EU standards later, in other words after joining.
The goal should be that you meet the standards BEFORE you join, so that we have conformal rules within the EU.

Then, once you have joined the EU, you should apply EU legislation when necessary and forget about the old days.

If all countries go out and make up there own rules then what is the purpose of the EU ?

Croatia is also not paying a price, Croatia is treated like they should have treated ALL other countries before as well, but unfortunately they did not.

If Croatian politicians were really enthusiastic and motivated to join the EU they would have sped up all the changes. I cannot help it, but I have the idea they are dragging their feet, not really wanting to change and basically they hope they will be allowed to join while still keeping the old system (which they love so much, because it makes them rich).

The EU should simply set rules. Either abide by all EU legislation, and therefore make the changes, within 2 or 3 years after opening the negotiations or else you can forget about joining the EU for the next 5 years.

[Madgolfer]

I understand what you are saying Mambo, but if you were to set the bar that high straight off, no one would ever get in.

By investing in candidate countries, the EU accepts that they will begin the process of reform and change and must show a willingness to meet the full criteria over time.

I think 2-3 years would be too short a period, maybe 5 years, but even then its like changing the direction of an oil tanker.

[mambo]

As with everything you should set the bar high in order to keep your standards high.

Investing in candidate countries is an option, although you can always ask yourself if this is a wise investment. Obviously the country is not at EU level and will that money make any significant changes ?

However, it is still my opinion that no country should be allowed to join as long as they don't meet EU standards. Too many countries (former east block) have proven now that they stop changing the moment they enter the EU.
Just this week the EU has taken measures against Romania and Bulgaria for not making the required changes and fighting corruption.

To me this is proof enough that a weak stance against known corrupt governments is not the way to go.

Perhaps the EU should kick countries like this out, put them in an apprentice group and only when they meet all standards they can receive money and be allowed back in.
Don't forget that all the subsidies are being paid by EU citizens and with countries like Portugal, Ireland and Greece unable to meet their financial responsibilities the tax payers in the wealthy countries are being hit harder and harder.
Those tax payers are not waiting for another country which fail to meet targets and whose politicians are basically just criminals who want to lay their hands on easy money.

[Frederick]

Hi,

I just read this, to my shock, as we hadn't heard anything about this. We'll be in Croatia next week and would like to take care of this. We have arranged to get our OIB numbers, but what then ? Do we need to visit the notar and get her to do it ? Any info much appreciated.

[crojoe]

Yes read the full thread on the matter and it will answer all your questions. 1600 kuna will do it all.

[Frederick]

ok, so the notar has the necessary forms/info to do this for us. Thank.

[crojoe]

Yes, notary has all the forms. Are you on the coast or Zagreb? If in Zagreb PM me and I'll give you an address to the notary I went to and she speaks English and a normal person. You will need something translated (can anyone remember what it was?). You just need your OIB, company charter from the court, ID's and company stamp. (I gather your company has more then 1 owner?). This requirement is only for companies with more then 1 owner on the books.

[Frederick]

Thanks for your offer. We are on Hvar. We are also 2 owners. I think I'll ask our lawyer about this. I guess it's possible that both of us are already registered with the courts, since I don't remember him asking us who we wanted to be registered.

[cropal]

To avoid incurring an lawyer's bills, I would recommend that you go to your local notary with your company name and OIB/MB and they can look up your company and tell you if you are one owner or two owners on the court system. If you have two owners registered you will need to complete this re-registration process, and as crojoe said you'll need to bring your passport, OIB certificate and company stamp - and approx 1600 kuna !!

[Carol]

i agree with cropal. Lawyers are expensive and this is really just an admin job plus some notarial work.

But surely there isn't anyone who doesn't know how many people co-own their company and needs someone to tell them? Just cast your mind back to when you set it up!

[riki]

Nov 30, 2010 8:11:55 GMT 1 Frederick said:

Thanks for your offer. We are on Hvar. We are also 2 owners. I think I'll ask our lawyer about this. I guess it's possible that both of us are already registered with the courts, since I don't remember him asking us who we wanted to be registered.

If you are two owners of the company you BOTH must go to the notary with ID's and OIB numbers. You definately won't be automatically registered and there is no choice of who must be registered. All owners must go in person. This only applies if you shared the 20 000 kuna capital input at the setup of the company (ie you have 50/50 share etc).