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Post by siriwan on May 16, 2011 13:43:50 GMT 1
Well, here comes the time when I have to make some choices :-))
Giving birth in this disgusting hospital in Karlovac is out of the question if it can be avoided, and so I have not much choice but go to Zagreb... The question is, where is it "good" (ie, decent, lol)
I'd rather give birth at home but I'm somewhat of a "special need" (diabetic) so they won't let me anyway and they all look at me like I'm totally nuts when I mention it ;-)
I have no clue where to go and would like a birth in water if possible, don't know where it is possible in ZG?
All this hoping to make it on the due date, as it will be in the middle of winter anyway... :-))
Thanks for all info and recommendations...
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Post by 123456 on May 16, 2011 13:53:47 GMT 1
Private clinic but they have water birth and lots of foreigners give birth there. www.podobnik.hr/
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Post by justapixel on May 16, 2011 14:29:40 GMT 1
Generally, maternity wards in Zagreb are overcrowded and you'll get much better and more personal service in Rijeka or Varaždin. You can also try private clinics, but they cost a lot.
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Post by siriwan on May 16, 2011 15:20:43 GMT 1
Oh great, so if it's kinda an emergency, I'm not going to make it, lol, and I'll HAVE to go to Karlovac... MIght as well aim at Gospic then, can't be worse that KA and it's Milinovic territory, they might be better equipped :-))
We'll see, I still have time, but don't want to be taken to a last-minute no-choice if possible :-)
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Post by crojoe on May 16, 2011 19:05:31 GMT 1
Petrova hospital in Zagreb was where our last one was born in Zagreb, and you can get your own room for about 500 Kuna a day, and food was good by all accounts from my wife. She discharged herself after two nights as they wanted to keep her longer. Ha! If you want your husband to be there you have to tell them in advance. It's all free if you have medical cover. Don't forget to get paper from hospital with birth details of your baby, so you can then go to city hall to get birth certificate.
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Post by siriwan on May 17, 2011 7:25:09 GMT 1
I have to go to Petrova tomorrow, so will definitely check out the place.
My problem is also finding a doctor that would at least listen to me (since mine here told me she knew "everything" after spending 23 years in school and I was not to tell her anything). I take care of my diabetes "the alternative way" and she didn't like that at all (didn't listen to a word of what I was saying when explaining to her why a glucose test would be very damageable to me & my baby, she just insisted she was right and I was wrong and if I don't want to listen, I can find myself another doctor - which I intended to anyway).
Don't care much about the food, I'll bring my own if necessary or get people to bring it to me, no can eat carbs :-)) (and I doubt the hospital will feed me real meat cooked in tallow or butter and no vegetable oil :-)))
Oh well, we'll see.... :-)
Thanks for the info :-)
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Post by gmh on May 17, 2011 8:26:16 GMT 1
Don't go to that private clinic mentioned above. My wife's cousin spent a fortune to give birth there and she found out the hard way that they are not equipped to deal with major complications. They ended up having to get an ambulance to come and take the baby to a real hospital and that meant that she was then separated from her baby at birth and was not able to see him for 4 days. There's been several similar stories in the press about the place also.
My wife gave birth in Vinogradska hospital in Zagreb and I was present. I was pretty happy with the service as was she. I doubt they do water birth though. There's rooms for rent just across the road if you need to be in the hospital for a few days and your hubby needs somewhere to stay.
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Post by siriwan on May 18, 2011 15:32:54 GMT 1
Well, I had a taste of Petrovo, and frankly, is that a hospital or an abattoir?? NO intimacy whatsoever, 3 women at the same time in the exam room?? Being treated like a cow at the fair, being looked at by 7 or 8 people at the same time??? And surely no better than the stupid doktorica here in considering that pregnant women might have a brain and use it???
This pregnancy is a nightmare, medically speaking... I will fly back to Belgium if need be, or I'll take charge and stop trying to get a decent doctor if it comes to that, but there's no way I will submit to what is totally opposed to my own experience - and I'm not saying "beliefs" because there's nothing religious into that...
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Post by gmh on May 18, 2011 15:54:27 GMT 1
Really ? That bad ? I wonder how all the other mothers and babies get by there. I think you need to do a lot of reading at this forum just for mothers. There are discussions about giving birth at all the hospitals. forum.roda.hr/forums/32-Rodili%C5%A1ta
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Post by Carol on May 18, 2011 17:20:55 GMT 1
Honestly siriwan, while I do not envy you having a pregnancy in croatia, and I especially don't envy a birth there, it is better for you and the baby if you don't try to buck the system there too much. It will just stress you out and that won't do you any good at all. Save your energies for bringing up your child. (I say that as someone who did the opposite on my first pregnancy and got really stressed but I learned my lesson for my second baby and it made a huge difference). As to large numbers of people peering at you at once, that is normal when you are having a baby. You get so used to being poked and prodded that you do loose a sense of perspective in the end.
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Post by didi on May 18, 2011 20:54:18 GMT 1
I heard that the maternity ward in Rijeka hospital is one of the best in the country,according to foreign friends who gave birth there,the nurses treated them really well. However you have to share a room with other women, not sure how good the food was and of course you will have students around you. I did IVF twice there, on the lower floor and all the nurses were nice to me,but there were always students around me. I agree with carol, dont buck the system as it will only make you stressed out and your doctors peeved at you. One friend mentioned to me that there is now water births available, not 100 percent sure,but if it is you will have to let them know in advance.
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Post by siriwan on May 18, 2011 23:25:39 GMT 1
My problem is that I CANNOT have an IV of glucose, for example. And if the people don't listen to what I'm saying, THEY are going to screw things up and it's not something I want to play with. That's a question of pure healthcare, not a whim from my part... I can do with being looked at etc. but not with people not paying attention to my own health because they treat everybody with the same medicine... If I don't get the message out right now, what's going to happen on D-Day when I get there and they do it all wrong??? End up with another baby whose death will remain "unexplained", or solely blamed on ME? Other women do fine probably because they know nothing else (unfortunately, I do) and because they don't have the problems that I have. Perhaps the maternity ward is great, but what I've seen so far is not... I'm not asking for luxury and a five-star treatment, , but just not to be treated like cattle because it's my and my baby's health in the game. I couldn't care less if the food is good or not, or if I have to share a room, I just cannot accept things being forced onto me when the other party doesn't even want to know why I won't or can't. This has nothing to do with being in Croatia or anywhere else in the world, I only need someone to at least listen and if possible understand, not to judge me in three minutes based on some irrational results... I'm supposed to rest, "they" don't understand why I'm not in bed all day (well, I'm the sole earner in the family and with no company running, I wonder how I'm going to feed my kid?? duh!) yet I drove 280 km for absolutely nothing this morning... great... I don't intend to tour the whole country looking for "the" place, there is no point, but luckily I'm optimistic enough that I'll find someone, somewhere... :-))
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Post by didi on May 19, 2011 16:32:28 GMT 1
I think it will be best to get recommendations from friends for doctors that they trust or had a good experience with and make an appointment for consultation with them.That way you will know if they are the right choice for you. As far as cattle treatment, that is how it seems to be in the public hospitals.You may have to go private. However i would say that I spent 5 days in the hospital for surgery for a deviated septum. They wanted me to stay for 7 days but i was bored so I left early. It was an option to go private at Medico. I would only have an overnight there.I could not imagine what I would have done in the following days at home alone after the surgery with all the bleeding and hourly changes in gauze etc. A friend who did have a surgery done at Medico for a Hernia was released hours after the surgery, and was not given any pain killers.So he ended up in the public hospital. Thats why i think the best solution would be to check out the hospitals,clinics and doctors.Talk with them and go with your instincts.
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Post by siriwan on Aug 19, 2011 9:36:04 GMT 1
A little update (for those who'd be interested.... :-))
Going to Petrovo every month for diabetes check up... It's "ok", except it's clearly impossible to talk to any doctor for more than 2 minutes (very reassuring, ha!), they write "gestational diabetes" on my file (duh???), I signed mysef off of insulin or medications, and at the same time, they said "oh by the way, you should also sign for your refusal of amniocentesis" which we NEVER discussed anyway???
So far so good, everything is going ok with me & Mr Baby, and in the end, Karlovac will be my best option (at least the maternity ward is new and ok and not as busy as in Petrovo), closest too, though I guess they'll want me to come and stay for the last 3 or 4 weeks at Petrovo, which will not be ok with me if everything is fine then. My roommates told me it was "better" that I come and "wait" there, but that's just the best way to make me really, really mad :-), get my blood pressure up and make me hate everyone, lol! They trust people there absolutely blindly, but the number of babies getting "infections" after a birth that went ok is pretty scary, so thanks but no thanks....
Wish there was a midwife on my side of the forest, lol!
And to make it clear: not "blaming" any of this of the fact that it's "Croatia" or whatever, this happens everywhere and in the end I don't trust anyone in Belgium or elsewhere much more than here, I just know better where not to go or whom I should call... :-)
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Post by menace on Aug 19, 2011 12:25:04 GMT 1
Hope your pregnancy is going well for you My G'friend gave birth in vinogradska, despite everything I thought (similar to your concerns and stuff I read above) it went ok. But...most hospitals I have been in (visits, test but luckily no stay) have been very bland looking, soulless and mostly full of doctors/nurses that think they are "the ever-knowledgeable gods of healthy living methods" First I was summoned to stand in the corner of the delivery room...2 minutes later, some doctor from another delivery room gave me a lecture about how unhealthy it was for me to be there (even though I had on the paper type green shoe covers and matching 'hoodie' style thingy) and ordered me out...2 minutes later a different doctor that just came on duty said I could go back in...I came in to see at least 5 doctors and nurses gathered around, I even saw what I thought was a hospital porter (and the doctor said I made it unhealthy ) anyone would think they hadn't help deliver a 'mixed race baby before??? because others kept dropping by at odd moments to catch the show The nurse that helped deliver my daughter was like a nazi prison guard...she just kept barking out "push"..."breath" every so often with no emotion ...she told my g'friend that she was acting like a silly girl when she complained that it pained her to push!! When my daughter came out... little mrs nazi just cut the cord and 'plonked' our baby on my g'friends chest and disappeared down the corridor with her gang we had about 15 mins and then someone came and 'kicked me out'...again My G'friend had to be stitched, because Mrs nazi made her push when her body was not ready! Until my g'friend was discharged, visiting was behind 'greasy-looking, bullet-proof glass' with about 100 odd looking people in the background...the babies are wheeled down the corridor in some sort of giant open-topped incubator' that hold about 4 babies side by side...I had to listen carefully for my name and I would get about 1 minute to see/photo/film my daughter while the usually unhappy looking nurse held her up like a salesperson from the shopping channel!! I was lucky she came home after 3 days, because I hated that....but some babies born 'with concerns can stay for up to 3 months! (imagine dads drove an hour through zagreb, spent a fortune on parking after spending more on gas looking for it and then getting about a minute to watch his baby through glass with a room full of strangers!!! My daughter is 2 and a half now and she has had no problems after the birth (luckily)...but I know quite a few of her kindergarten friends that are or was ill because they was not cared for properly at hospital? Ok, my Opinion is...hospitals here resemble zagreb bus station with more doors and a different layout...a tiny proportion of staff actually care, know about healthcare, will treat you with respect, not patronize you, not act like they know everything, not be quite so lazy and stand-offish I dont trust the Health Service here personally, if I had the money I would get any healthcare done in the EU and would advise you to go to at least slovenia (I hear they have a great record for births, if you dont want to go back home) I know its important to be born in your resident or parents country...but...nowadays, thats more of a parental preference Then again you could just go for it here, thousands of healthy children are born each year...Well, whatever you decide...good luck!
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