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Post by mh on Mar 5, 2013 12:48:36 GMT 1
I think we should go on with our lives. The differences are too wide to come to any understanding. Stay safe and pay tax.
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Post by justapixel on Mar 5, 2013 13:57:17 GMT 1
And if the troll is unable or unwilling we can agree that although a troll, then not a Croatian troll. I can do that! ;D Mislim da bismo trebali nastaviti s našim životima. Razlike su preširoka da dođe do bilo razumijevanja. Ostanite sigurno i plaća porez..
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Post by Ribaric on Mar 5, 2013 16:52:10 GMT 1
MH is Croatian insofar as she is part of the diaspora currently residing in the USA, California the last time she said. You can read what many of them have to say about things here.... inavukic.com/
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Post by crojoe on Mar 5, 2013 17:38:09 GMT 1
MH is Croatian insofar as she is part of the diaspora currently residing in the USA, California the last time she said. You can read what many of them have to say about things here.... inavukic.com/Just went through many of the comments and can see that many are out of touch of what is actually happening today in Croatia. They kind of live in the past.
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Post by justapixel on Mar 5, 2013 17:44:46 GMT 1
Of course they do. They left communist Yugoslavia in 1945 or in the seventies and they still believe it's here and nothing has changed much. They believe SDP are commies with fur caps and gulags, while HDZ are good guys fighting those commies. If someone disagrees with that romantic picture - he's indoctrinated. ;D
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Post by polako on Mar 5, 2013 18:34:41 GMT 1
MH is Croatian insofar as she is part of the diaspora currently residing in the USA, California the last time she said. You can read what many of them have to say about things here.... inavukic.com/Just went through many of the comments and can see that many are out of touch of what is actually happening today in Croatia. They kind of live in the past. All we need now is Capio and it will be just like the good ol days........
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Post by amatesic on Mar 5, 2013 21:15:46 GMT 1
I too read Ana Vukić's comments and think a lot of Croatians overseas live in the past. Some of her comments are good but she gets some of the facts behind the issues wrong. So, did I frankly before I moved here because I grew up with the Croatian mentality in the Croatian Australian clubs.
In America I found myself in cities where the Croatian communities were not strong ... ala Washington DC ... where Serbian diplomats in the time of Yugoslavia were the ones that walked the halls of the IMG and World Bank. Two Croats at the World Bank at the time ... both of us on non-Yugoslav passports and about 30 Serbs, Slovenians and Montenegrines. I am happy that we are rid of the lot of them personally, as they had us under the thumb far too long. I think, both Croatians here and Croatians outside agree wholeheartedly on this one fact.
I was part of that outside Croatia Croatian mentality until I came to live here and then started to understand what it was like for most Croatians here. Now I find myself agreeing with a lot of Croatians here ... for example the Croatians living in other countries definitely should not be allowed to vote in Croatian elections for they do not live here, they come here for holidays and think its all well and dandy. I am also much happier in summer as there is lots to do and family and lots of tourists are around and everyone has a good time. The Croatians living outside do not see the other side of living here.
On the other hand, Croatians living here, think that its all and dandy for Croatians living outside. That is not true either. They tend to "live to work", so that they can come here in summer because they miss their home country for all its faults its where they grew up and have fond memories. Actually when they come here they suffer from "culture shock". When organizations send their workers to another country .... they prepare them for culture shock. No Croatian on either side understand aspects of culture shock .... Croatians living here are also experiencing culture shock because of the amount of change required of them.
Croatians outside have lost the "work to live" mentality ... and it grates on their nerves when they come here in summer and see this mentality all around, but they are not experiencing the entire picture. Here it is better to have a work to live mentality just in order to keep sane as so much change, all at once relatively, is being sought of the Croatians living here.
My hope is that one day the differences between those Croatians living here and those living elsewhere are narrowed by mutual respect and understanding of the real situation of the others. The perceptions of each other are not correct and come from the "them and us" mentality of the communist era.
I presented at a German University to a Croatian group of students, who, having been born in Germany want to come and live in Croatia and wanted to know how to do that. We discussed perceptions and difficulties of them culturally integrating in Croatia, what to expect, and how to go about making a return a success.
First Croatian returnees need a Croatian returnee club in each city for practical matters, not a place to discuss politics or put down home Croatians. However we can't also leave the pink elephant under the rug. We have to understand our differences, value them and respect them, and understand that each group can contribute to moving our Country in the right direction.
Each group needs to understand its own mentality and not be in denial, as frankly taking the liberty of diagnosing, both are in denial and neither understands the other, and in not understanding cannot be of help to each yet each has something to offer the other. Some things in communist Yugoslavia (or as taught here in school ... sot Yugoslavia) did work and unfortunately the baby was thrown out with the bathwater.
Such a shame and wish there was more human and organizational development taught in schools, in universities, in the media so that people can learn how to manage themselves in the difficult times still ahead for Croatia.
I think we all understand the need for taxes however we need taxing to be rational, not raised or introduced because of errors of the past ... and more thought needs to go into restructuring the entire tax system but not in isolation of a complete and managed organizational development change effort. And Croatia could do, there are around 4 million in Croatia, they have the most right to be heard as they have to live with the changes, however the other 4 million living outside should also be heard as perhaps they can be of help, list and understand all the issues, then pick an experienced team of managers to implement them. It can be done.
Again a large reply from me. Will stop now.
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Post by Ribaric on Mar 5, 2013 22:32:43 GMT 1
"Again a large reply from me. Will stop now."
Don't stop, we need an injection of fresh ideas and perspectives.
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Post by velebit on Mar 20, 2013 23:10:48 GMT 1
any info on w hether and when new property tax is to be implemented...heard rumours it was being temporarliy shelved. ....has parliament voted on this yet?....now received my communal tax bill for first 6 months of 2013 so local opcina is operating on business as usual model... any info would be appreciated.
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