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Post by Madgolfer on Nov 16, 2012 13:19:24 GMT 1
We have been trying to raise the profile of this issue for some time and have got nowhere, its just not a sexy issue for many people in these troubled times.
Roll on EU membership.
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Post by kesterj on Nov 17, 2012 9:53:26 GMT 1
We have been trying to raise the profile of this issue for some time and have got nowhere, its just not a sexy issue for many people in these troubled times. Roll on EU membership. Do you really think it will make any difference, MG? In theory, I would say yes, but in practice? Croatia has had most of a decade in which it could learn from others how to create an efficient administrative system - but from what I read on here, it's a) not been done well and b) it's down to pot luck/personal relationship with the local official (or, possibly, a brown paper envelope) as to how the law is interpreted. Hardly a good sign that all is well and everyone is moving according to the conductor's baton. In theory the EU should be creating a common market, with equal conditions everywhere in terms of the law - something I fully support personally. But it seems all too often one person's interpretation of "level playing field" is "I'll keep my market and take yours too." Of course, the Anglo-Saxon group would say that is exactly what the French attitude (and practice) has been all along. But as the EU gets larger, it seems to me that this is the attitude of many of the newer members - the EU means "I want as much as I can get out of it while ignoring the rules that don't suit me." Even the Irish seem to be playing this game now - though I had better not bring up the example i am thinking of on a public forum. (And then, of course, we have an older, supposedly wiser, but hopelessly indebted south-eastern member of the Union putting spanners in the works of progress in the Balkans at every opportunity - a member whose domestic ethnic policies are about as advanced as South Africa's in 1960.) Ultimately, this kind of me-first, nationalist thinking led to WW1 and WW2. It may not come to that this time around, but it is difficult to see how such a philosophy can be the basis of genuinely better cooperation and economic well-being across geo-political borders in the EU. kesterj |
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Post by Madgolfer on Nov 17, 2012 11:30:24 GMT 1
Not sure if we are getting a bit off the original thread here but.....
Not that long ago the Spanish government started a program of land repossessions which mainly targeted properties purchased by foreigners perfectly legally just a few years before. Who would have thought it possible?
In France recently new property taxation rates have been introduced which discriminate against foreign property owners when renting or selling their property. Not possible surely?
Here we are seeing a situation developing where new laws which could severely affect foreigners are being implemented. Laws which are likely to impact on foreign property owners much more than Croatian nationals. Discrimination? Surely that's not possible in this modern age?
If new laws are implemented which impact on the rights of foreigners more so than a countries nationals then were they written deliberately? Or is the harm caused just because of inexperience and naivety. Surely that's not possible in this modern world is it?
New rules and laws that will severely affect foreigners are being discussed behind closed doors and we have little choice but to wait and see what happens over the next few months.
I think some of this will be a case of the government just creating fear after which they will offer a less dreaded solution.
I am sure most of us will survive this current period and get through the depression one way or another.
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Post by gobrea on Nov 18, 2012 13:09:21 GMT 1
I've said it before and I'll say it again.....
The Eu coming in here will make no difference. Things will stay the same, because the same people are in charge.
Change will come slowly but not within our lifetime.
And other things like the rise of nazism that is happening euro wide like Kes has talked about will influence gov thinking.....
All this has happened before, all this will happen again.
Kes pm me that example you if you cant post it here please.
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Post by Madgolfer on Nov 18, 2012 15:02:38 GMT 1
Gobrea.
I hear what you say about things happening slowly, i've been here 8 years already and can certainly testify to Croatias "first gear" mentality.
However I for one will feel a great deal stronger after July 1st next year with EU legislation taking equal stage to domestic Croatian law. It will be nice to have someone else on our side.
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Post by rima on May 13, 2013 21:27:31 GMT 1
I wonder if your company is still available! I might be interested in buying it, please advise.
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Post by swordfish on May 14, 2013 8:33:45 GMT 1
case study
forgein investors own croatian d.o.o.
d.o.o. owns property and land
d.o.o. has been paying a book keeper but book keeper did not submit books
government closes d.o.o. un known to forgein invester until too late
forgein investers went to solicitor
solicitor said 2 schools of thought
1 government takes all d.o.o. assests
2 director apply through the courts for tuitor of rights
in the balance outcome as yet unknown
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Post by crojoe on May 14, 2013 18:16:55 GMT 1
case study forgein investors own croatian d.o.o. d.o.o. owns property and land d.o.o. has been paying a book keeper but book keeper did not submit books government closes d.o.o. un known to forgein invester until too late forgein investers went to solicitor solicitor said 2 schools of thought 1 government takes all d.o.o. assests 2 director apply through the courts for tuitor of rights in the balance outcome as yet unknown This happened to me, but I had no land or property attached so didn't give a hoot. But, my local tax office filed my last two years worth of papers in the corner of their overstuffed office and forgot to process them (talk about drowning in red tape and paperwork). This in turn sent an automatic message to FINA that my company was not operating who in turn then notified the Croatian business chamber of commerce to close my company (free of charge thank you very much). Only found this out by a visit to my local friendly registrar office for other business (who told me my company has been officially closed). Anyway, I then closed my company bank account and got to keep the extra for another rainy day (sorry taxman). Seems in Croatia once it's official, it's official! |
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Post by amatesic on May 31, 2013 15:30:23 GMT 1
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Post by furio on Jul 21, 2014 20:55:20 GMT 1
Hi,
I am in the situation of needing to close a company in which I sold a property from (to myself). Basically it is dormant with no assets or debts. Very little activity occurred aside from paying local taxes and filing taxes.
That being said I want to shut it down. I do know about the liquidation process which requires 18 months and about 10000 kuna.
The question is is this necessary or does the Croatian government simply shut down these type of companies after a few years? I understand part of going dormant is not filing annual tax report which technically can be fined by the government.
Does anyone have recent experience in lettign a company go dormant particularly after EU entry?
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Post by Ribaric on Jul 22, 2014 9:20:45 GMT 1
Hi, I am in the situation of needing to close a company in which I sold a property from (to myself). Basically it is dormant with no assets or debts. Very little activity occurred aside from paying local taxes and filing taxes. That being said I want to shut it down. I do know about the liquidation process which requires 18 months and about 10000 kuna. The question is is this necessary or does the Croatian government simply shut down these type of companies after a few years? I understand part of going dormant is not filing annual tax report which technically can be fined by the government. Does anyone have recent experience in lettign a company go dormant particularly after EU entry? I don't have the answer to your excellent question but I am trying to achieve the same thing. I am advised that that companies are either 'active' or 'dormant' but it seems the process of closure is the same for both. I am also advised that the liquidation process is the only show in town which does indeed require about 10k kuna plus your lawyer's fees assuming you use one. Failure to make the reports will result in a fine which will set off a bank-account block which, additionally, has it's own costs. Quite soon, the owner of such a business will have his/her personal assets frozen until the debts are paid. IOW, this is not a route you should follow. I am very interested to see how you get on as, soon, I hope to follow in your footsteps. Initially, I wanted to change the name of a company but it seems that also requires a lengthy and expensive bureaucratic nightmare..... unless somebody here knows different? |
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Post by furio on Jul 22, 2014 20:29:36 GMT 1
Thanks. Am hearing the same. While I expect the cost of closing companies will decrease in the future due to EU entry I have no idea how long it will take to come into effect. I understand the cost of opening a company is reducing quite a bit right now.
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Post by Carol on Jul 22, 2014 22:38:51 GMT 1
We changed our company address c. 10 years ago and it cost around 1500 eur, so 10k kuna sounds about right.
All I know is that you have to go through one last round of year end reporting, keeping your company accounts up to date whilst waiting. So, obviously that has a cost even for a company that does nothing except pay taxes and accountant's fees.
The purpose of the year end account submission is so that taxes can be calculated.. which you then have to pay.
Then, there's a check for any more creditors? Is the company being sued?
Then finally, you've cleared the hurdles to apply to close the company.
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Post by Carol on Jul 22, 2014 22:39:34 GMT 1
Anyone know how they go about fining people who don't have any assets in croatia and the company bank accounts are either closed or empty?
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Post by Ribaric on Jul 23, 2014 7:44:28 GMT 1
Anyone know how they go about fining people who don't have any assets in croatia and the company bank accounts are either closed or empty? Post "EU day" on July 1st 2013, I don't think anyone really knows. It is the big question for a number of people. My understanding is that, for now, only criminal charges may make use of the the intra-EU extradition agreements. Civil matters? Who knows? What would happen if you had debts in, for example, France? |
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