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Post by dugodude on Jul 23, 2014 9:19:34 GMT 1
Anyone know how they go about fining people who don't have any assets in croatia and the company bank accounts are either closed or empty? Post "EU day" on July 1st 2013, I don't think anyone really knows. It is the big question for a number of people. My understanding is that, for now, only criminal charges may make use of the the intra-EU extradition agreements. Civil matters? Who knows? What would happen if you had debts in, for example, France? I am no lawyer, but I'd say if the Croatian authorities decide you are guilty of fraud - and I doubt that would be difficult if you have evaded payments to the authorities, then that would amount to a criminal offence. The European Arrest Warrant system is interpreted in vastly different ways. The UK only uses it for serious offences, and when the public prosecutor is actually going to press charges. I have not heard of such cases in Croatia (not to say they don't happen) but E European countries (and France) dish out EAWs like confetti at a wedding. There have been cases of extradition (though officially they don't call it that) for a guy who had kept his ex-girlfriend's mobile. One Romanian was sent back for stealing six chickens. But at least they were dragged back to their homeland. It's much worse the other way round, as you can imagine. And, what's worse, all too often "suspects" are dragged off only FOR INVESTIGATIVE PURPOSES. In other words, they handcuff you to Poznan, Budapest or Brassov and keep you in jail for anything up to two years ONLY to investigate the case against you. The system is bonkers, and if you are caught up in it, it is not funny. dd
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Post by dugodude on Jul 23, 2014 9:23:18 GMT 1
We changed our company address c. 10 years ago and it cost around 1500 eur, so 10k kuna sounds about right. ....... Staggering. And then Croatia wonders why it's difficult to get its economy moving. Just to change an address? How can they possibly justify such charges? dd
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Post by crojoe on Jul 23, 2014 9:36:10 GMT 1
Anyone know how they go about fining people who don't have any assets in croatia and the company bank accounts are either closed or empty? Yes, find a few burly tough guys, go to the creditors house and break in some doors, break a few limbs, rearrange a face or two... or at least that seems to be the way I've heard it done in Zagreb (I don't advocate any form of violence, that is unless you owe me money.. Hehe!). I don't know of any "official debt collectors" in Croatia, people that show up at your door and cart away all your belongings. Most with debts have it all listed in their company, transfer the profits, the stock and so forth to a private individual or file for bankruptcy then there isn't much one can do. I'm not even sure if there is such a thing as a "small claims court" in Croatia, a place you can go for a quick court case against someone that owes you a small amount of money. Would really be a good thing. I think this is why they set up a system to block accounts of people that owe money, but those people have already transferred the money abroad, under their pillow or into another family members name.
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Post by upthevilla on May 12, 2015 15:41:35 GMT 1
Albert,, get your coat, your leaving
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Post by crojoe on May 12, 2015 16:19:55 GMT 1
Sorry albert10, I'm a bit busy to visit your web site, you know, the one you keep spamming on this forum. How about you actually get out and work, hustle it a bit, spend some real money on advertising and offer a great service and build your own clientele. Oh, and have a long term business plan.
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Post by umoran on Jun 25, 2015 11:04:13 GMT 1
I wondered whether anyone has more recent information on this topic?. I am due to go to Zagreb to close my Croatian company that is dormant yet costs £200 or £300 a year to maintain that state. My accountant has explained that the total cost to close everything will be around 14,000 Kuna and will take around 12 months. My question is whether anyone has attempted the alternate route that my accountant has suggested. “At the moment it is accepted that if you do not send financial reports 3 years in a row the financial organization (FINA) will enforce closing of the company at no charge to you.” “Also, just a few days ago the ministry of Justice has reported their intention to lower the charges for closing of companies and to make it a faster process”
It seems stupid to spend £1300 on something that could be free but has anyone tried the non-filing route?
Does anyone know the detail of the lower charging structure and when it might be implemented?
Thanks!
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Post by sandybear124 on Sept 18, 2015 1:56:21 GMT 1
Just closed a Croatian company. Started almost two years ago but to be fair may have been done sooner but for the fact we are not always in Croatia. To start the process we had to sign papers at a notary stating something along the lines that we were no longer trading and going for liquidation. A different company stamp was then used. The accountant informed all necessary people ie. Bank, utilities etc and had to post a newspaper announcement on three separate occasions. She also said she had to submit her usual reports even though there were no transactions taking place. On our visit last week we were presented with a tax bill for 2013 (+ interest), they had sent letters to be signed for to the Croatian address when informed we are not always there so asked to be sent to accountant or English address! A couple of other small things (not sure what) and a bill from the Chamber of Commerce. It seems Chamber of Commerce charge until company is closed. We had to go to the notary to get final papers. Our charges were 2675 kuna for the notary and 1300 kuna to the government. When asked the notary said these were the standard charges The accountant charged 2400 kuna for her work for the past two years. That seemed pretty reasonable considering the charges we have paid in the past. Overall, would think it has cost just over £1000. Feel that if we don't get any more pestering it will have been worth it to put it all to bed.
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Post by Carol on Sept 18, 2015 7:48:49 GMT 1
well done! This is the first time I have heard of such a thing.
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Post by usplitu on Apr 6, 2016 10:19:14 GMT 1
I am wondering if anybody has any more recent experience of closing a Croatian company? Looking to start the process and hoping to get a bit of information before seeing the accountant to give me a little bargaining power !
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Post by usplitu on Apr 8, 2016 12:05:59 GMT 1
FYI I've had a quote of €900 with a four / five month timeframe.
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Post by crojoe on Apr 12, 2016 18:35:18 GMT 1
Fire your accountant, close your business bank account, vanish (no forwarding address) and you will be fine. Or, hand over 1000 euro plus, wait around a year, pay your accountant for another 12 months of service and hope they don't hit you with any complications (so say people... I would never suggest any illegal activity). Cough cough!
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Post by Ribaric on Apr 12, 2016 21:07:29 GMT 1
Fire your accountant, close your business bank account, vanish (no forwarding address) and you will be fine. Or, hand over 1000 euro plus, wait around a year, pay your accountant for another 12 months of service and hope they don't hit you with any complications (so say people... I would never suggest any illegal activity). Cough cough! The recently updated liquidation process empowers the Trgovacki Sud to go after the personal assets of any director who just disappears. You'll need to vanish for good.
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Post by crojoe on Apr 13, 2016 19:13:00 GMT 1
Fire your accountant, close your business bank account, vanish (no forwarding address) and you will be fine. Or, hand over 1000 euro plus, wait around a year, pay your accountant for another 12 months of service and hope they don't hit you with any complications (so say people... I would never suggest any illegal activity). Cough cough! The recently updated liquidation process empowers the Trgovacki Sud to go after the personal assets of any director who just disappears. You'll need to vanish for good. I presume if you decide to close shop in Croatia then it's pretty certain one would not return to try again. Leave no forwarding address! Having witnesses the closer of an active money making, tax paying company by Fina (oops...we forgot to clear that huge stack of company tax returns in that corner as person in charge was away for a year..or two), I dare say ones chances of any collectors pursuing them outside of HR is practically zero. And they say they sent 8 letters to inform us of the closer (not to the company address in Zagreb, but they say to UK)... all fabricated lies to try and cover their behinds.
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Post by cropal on Jul 8, 2016 9:33:41 GMT 1
I am wondering if anyone has closed a company that had funds left in the bank account ? Do you know what tax is levied on the distribution of those funds/assets to the shareholders on dissolution? The funds are not being paid as a dividend, which is subject to tax! I'm not to keen on the run away approach cos if they're chasing Europeans for parking tickets, they'll surely come after European directors for unpaid taxes. Thanks
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Post by leo120408 on Jan 27, 2017 7:39:35 GMT 1
If a company has one property, and you sell the property, take all the money straight out of the company bank account and vanish without paying the PDV due on the sale (c.15,000 euros); would there be any repercussions ? Would the Croatian government eventually just give up on chasing the ex directors of the company ?
Would there be any risks to the new owners of the house ? Would they get caught up in it ? Can the government put any liens on the house ?
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