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Post by Ribaric on Jun 15, 2013 11:55:04 GMT 1
The organisation calling itself "In the name of the family" (INoF) has presented a petition to Sabor which has the number of signatures to require the government to hold a referendum. That requirement is not as concrete as it seems as there are a few procedures to go through which could prevent it although the vote losing potential of such an action renders it unlikely. So the referendum, if INoF get their way, would ask something like... "Do you agree that marriage in Croatia can only be legal if it is between one man and one woman"
One question is... Why now? It hasn't been deemed necessary throughout history. It seems that the movement to accept same-sex marriage as a legal entity, currently sweeping through European parliaments, has provided a reaction and this attempt to make a new law is some kind of back-door method of preventing same-sex marriages coming to Croatia on the grounds that a law already exists (if the referendum is won) to prevent it.
I have a question or two. Is this all about timing? Is it considered that whichever law is established first will prevent, by timing alone, the other from entering statute book? In a more practical sense, if the Sabor follows the rest of the EU (one or two exceptions) and permits same-sex marriage, it will matter a jot what a referendum says.
Following in the footsteps of the above is the "Church to pay the same taxes as individuals" petition which will probably hit the Sabor this summer. The same question applies, does it make any difference?
Confused.
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Post by justapixel on Jun 16, 2013 22:42:24 GMT 1
They are trying to put the amendment into constitution, which would make it very hard to override or change. I think the real purpose of the said organization and petition is consolidating right wing conservatives under banners of church and HDZ.
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Post by crojoe on Jun 17, 2013 10:03:01 GMT 1
Let them marry if it makes them happy, just stop shoving it down our throats is all I say. Seems to be all over the news, down the streets, marches, dominating our movies (most of the time making a mockery of it). You don't see heterosexual couples have a day each year that they can march down main streets of cities. By the way, the word gay used to mean HAPPY, now it's affiliated with something else (sure is fun watching old movies where they keep saying they feel gay or expressing they are gay). If my mind recalls correctly, I think even the Flintstones song mentions being "gay-ol-time"! It's a bit like drugs, the more they ban it the more people want it. I guess what bothers me is some modern folks want old timers (not that I think I am one) to change with the times, but sometimes a it's tough to teach an old dog new tricks.
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Post by antinazi on Dec 2, 2013 6:56:51 GMT 1
The Same Sex No Vote is a victory for the Ustasha and the followers of the Nazi Aloysius Stepanac. Boycott Croatia and its products
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Post by justapixel on Dec 2, 2013 9:26:55 GMT 1
The Same Sex No Vote is a victory for the Ustasha and the followers of the Nazi Aloysius Stepanac. Boycott Croatia and its products Yeah, that will really help us... When the economy gets weaker, right wing movements get stronger. Basically, by impoverishing Croatia, you'll only give them more support. .
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Post by ZAD on Dec 2, 2013 17:40:28 GMT 1
The Same Sex No Vote is a victory for the Ustasha and the followers of the Nazi Aloysius Stepanac. Boycott Croatia and its products Is it? Didn't notice. Oh, by the way. What products? We don't produce bugger all.
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Post by crojoe on Dec 2, 2013 18:10:30 GMT 1
The Same Sex No Vote is a victory for the Ustasha and the followers of the Nazi Aloysius Stepanac. Boycott Croatia and its products Is it? Didn't notice. Oh, by the way. What products? We don't produce bugger all. Just because some have an ideology doesn't mean it's undemocratic. The same could be said of the opposite. Just because certain EU nations are super liberal doesn't mean it's all right or all wrong. The needs of the many can outweigh the needs of the few (so says start Trek), and for now maybe this is what is best for Croatia? I'm sure in a few years things will change. I see gay parades back home, but I don't see heterosexual parades, so the podium can swing in many a direction. What has taken the West decades to fathom will also take certain countries years to grasp. It's not all down to religion (although that probably plays a big part in a predominantly Catholic country), but many faiths or societies don't accept same marriage relationships. If you want to Boycott Croatia and its products that's up too you, but you could boycott a lot of nations for their current and past behavior. If you buy Chinese goods then in affect you are supporting communism. If you buy fuel for your car then you are probably supporting a backward country that still beheads people and treats most foreigners with scorn. I don't believe having British troupes in Iraq, Afghanistan and so forth is right or in our best interest but I still buy British (if I can find it and it hasn't been sold off to the Chinese or Arabs). In time, all things change!
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Post by javier on Mar 22, 2014 21:57:08 GMT 1
I am an argentinean ( land of Pope Francis ) born - croat descendant,and we have a Same Sex marriage since 2010 ( along side a many other rights for gay people, as changing sex, etc). My point here is that it was not the end of the world, not even for the later Pope. The next morning after the law was passed, the life still went on. No body had any rights cut, on the contrary, other people adopted rights they did not have before.
Family is still here going on, we even have a Pope, and it was not the death of no one.
Our lives is just the same as before, the same economic problems, the same corruption, the same politicians.
Marriage is just a contract. A piece of paper, nothing more nothing less. Don't be dramatic.
It`s just a matter of time.
Just keep this in mind : "Marriage is like a fortress besieged: those who are outside want to get in, and those who are inside want to get out"
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