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Post by newlifeincroatia on Aug 4, 2014 20:53:17 GMT 1
Hello,
I am looking for some help or opinions. My fiance has a home on the island of Vir. There is no city water there yet and everyone has a water cellar or cisterns. Hrvatske Vode, located in Zagreb, is sending out demands for payment for "water contributions". There is no sewer system or city water or any plans for it in the near future. Is this something that the residents of Vir should get together on and file a class action suit (I don't know the procedure here, I'm from Canada, but I'm trying to help). We have been waiting for electricity for 2 years, so leagally its not even a home suitable for living. They tell us that they don't have a contract with any providers yet and they only have TWO workers who currently work on the entire island of Vir to do the hook up from the street to the houses!! Yet, there are constant demands for payment for electricity and street lights. Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! |
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Post by rene78 on Aug 5, 2014 6:20:50 GMT 1
When was the house build? It all starts with the kommunale costs wich you have to pay when you apply for your buildingpermit.
If you don't have the buildingpermit or legalization, then you will not get water, for electricity It's about the same procedure.
The costs which you must pay has nothing to do with the water connection, but you have to pay them anyway. For the waterconnection you'll have to go to the Vodavod in Zadar.
But you' ll have to have all kinds of papers, like buidingpermit, permission fron the local municipal etc, etc.
Only if all papers are there, you will get the waterconnection to you house. Note that , you have to pay again for the digging, the pipe, all materials and labor to the vodavod for the connectionbetween the main pipie and your house,
For the electricity connetion it's about the same procedure. First you have to make a contract with the HEP in Zadar.
Sorry can't make it better for you.
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Post by Ribaric on Aug 5, 2014 6:55:00 GMT 1
I have to agree with Rene78. Vir is a particular problem in that the majority of structures there were built without permission which, in turn, could not be granted because Vir lacks the infrastructure to support them. A number of structures were demolished a few years ago but it seems this action was politically difficult so the new way of doing things is to deny access to utility services unless the building has all the required documentation. One way or another, owners of "illegal" dwellings are facing a tough future everywhere, Vir just has a higher density of them than anywhere else it seems.
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Post by Carol on Aug 5, 2014 12:57:37 GMT 1
It was Hungarians who were mostly building illegally on Vir, wasn't it? I remember the TV pictures when they were knocked down... there were some really lovely villas that just got flattened by the bulldozers.
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Post by Ribaric on Aug 5, 2014 14:43:34 GMT 1
I didn't hear that but I do understand that a considerable number of war defenders bought cheaply on Vir and were looking to enjoy a retirement based on their vet's pension. This was not what the govt of the day wanted to be seen doing, actually knocking down defenders' houses so they are now doing it by the back door and blaming HEP, HR Voda etc.
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Post by newlifeincroatia on Aug 6, 2014 6:34:50 GMT 1
Thank you for the input Ribaric and Rene78. One could become very jaded and discouraged after reading this board. I have only been here one year and am hoping the good points of living here will outweigh the bad. Yes, I too remember seeing on TV, (while still in Canada), the tearing down of the "illegal" homes. It would seem to me that most of them are illegal and it is a slow process to legalize. My fiancé is very conservative and refuses to pay out the "envelopes" that are hinted at to make things go faster. His friend gave 500 euros, over a 2 year period in all, to speed up the process to get his electricity and he just got his hook up two weeks ago. We have an architect and have made all the submissions as required.
My question about the city water still remains:
There is no city water in Vir and there are no immediate plans(as in for the next 5 years) to proceed with the water installations because first they have to dig up the island to install a sewer system. So, how can the city be sending out demands for payment for "water contributions" when no one has city water hook ups? Is this legal or should we band together and fight it? To be honest, no one has actually called to question anyone about it as they are all in shock over the amounts being billed. We have a small place so our bill was 5500 kuna but the neighbour across the street has one of those huge monstrosities, that should have been torn down, and his bill was 14,000 kunas! I do understand how things normally go in a building process as I had a construction company in Canada, but I am completely baffled about the entire process here in Croatia. So many homes are actually dangerous to live in. For example, our neighbour with the huge monstrosity. He built this rooftop deck half hanging off the house without proper footings or bracing. It's just attached to the house. Now if 10 or 20 people were to hang out up there, I suspect it wouldn't take long for the whole thing to collapse. Scary.
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Post by Ribaric on Aug 6, 2014 9:43:21 GMT 1
Can you scan and post this bill on here newlife? I'm sure you'll get some direct advice that way.
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Post by rene78 on Aug 6, 2014 16:46:08 GMT 1
Hi newlife, the kommunalcosts are calculated on the cubic meters and in which zone the house is build and how many cubic meters the building is.
For example, for zone B from 400 m3 the price is around 15 KN m3
So for a house of 500 m3 the price is 7500 KN. On top of that there is also some extra taxes of 1,05 KN per m3.
If you have the zone b on Vir the house of your fiancee should be about 350m3
The monstrous house of the neighbor should be + 900m3. That's a big house!
The demand for the payment for the Hvratske Vode has nothing to do with the fact if there is a water infrastructure on Vir. it's something you have to pay anyway.
The only thing you can do is go to the VodaVod in Zadar and ask if and when there will come a water connection to Vir.
But i think i know the answer yet :-(
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Post by newlifeincroatia on Aug 7, 2014 20:05:13 GMT 1
Can you scan and post this bill on here newlife? I'm sure you'll get some direct advice that way. Attachments:
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Post by newlifeincroatia on Aug 7, 2014 20:09:32 GMT 1
Ok, if I have done this correctly then I think I have posted it. The house was built in 1997. We have just recently received the document that it is a legal structure and as a result are now waiting for the electricity hook up.
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Post by rene78 on Aug 7, 2014 21:05:26 GMT 1
Yep that's the one you have to pay anyway. As you can see you have to pay 21 KN per m3,
If you want the electricity connection, you better not sit and wait. You have to go to the HEP Zadar to apply for a contract.
Otherwise you don't hav a connection this time next year.
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Post by newlifeincroatia on Aug 8, 2014 6:43:04 GMT 1
Thank you rene78. The contract with HEP Zadar has already been requested and this bill arrived afterwards, so like you say we will pay that asap. We called to see when the hook up would happen and they tell us that we are in the line for it but that they aren't allowed to dig during peak season and they only have 2 workers to do ALL the requests. So, a little more wait and see.
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