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Post by Ignorant on Apr 9, 2005 11:00:15 GMT 1
Can someone please explain to me what the OSCE missions in croatia is? i was reading about a serb who got his house back after 13 years. He won in court but now has to pay some compensation to the ppl living in the house for the work they done to it over that period and he cant aforrd it. So it looks like he will lose his house ..... then the article mentioned something about how the OSCE is saying that the courts in croatia are still unfair and that they want change some ammendmants etc etc. I dont understand this, does the OSCE have the power to change laws, ammendmants etc etc in croatia? i hope this post makes sense
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Post by barba Jere on Apr 9, 2005 12:50:54 GMT 1
They are here on the invitation of Cro Gov
Here is their
MANDATE
Providing assistance and expertise
The first mandate adopted by the Permanent Council on 18 April 1996 (Decision 112) authorized the Mission to:
* provide assistance and expertise to the Croatian authorities at all levels, as well as to interested individuals, groups and organizations, in the fields of human rights and rights of national minorities. * assist and advise on the full implementation of legislation and monitor the proper functioning and development of democratic institutions, processes and mechanisms in order to promote reconciliation, the rule of law and conformity with internationally recognized standards.
Extensions of the mandate
On 26 June 1997, the Permanent Council (Decision 176) extended the mandate of the Mission to include:
* assisting and monitoring implementation of Croatian legislation and international commitments on the two-way return of all refugees and displaced persons and on protection of their rights. * making specific recommendations to the Croatian authorities and referring urgent issues to the Permanent Council.
A member of the OSCE Police Monitoring Group (PMG) in Croatia (left) liaises with a Croatian police officer outside the ruins of the Vukovar railway station, September 1999; the PMG ceased operations on 31 October 2000. An additional task was assumed on 25 June 1998 when the Permanent Council (Decision 239) expressed the readiness of the OSCE to deploy civilian police monitors to assume the responsibilities of the United Nations Police Support Group (UNPSG) personnel in the Croatian Danube Region. The police monitoring commitment ceased operations on 31 October 2000 and the Mission size was reduced.
On 16 December 2004 the Permanent Council adopted Decision 644 according to which the current mandate is extended until 31 December 2005.
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Post by irac on Apr 9, 2005 13:20:47 GMT 1
Barba, that's the "official" mandate and guidelines, but in all actuality OSCE and their various sub-contractors are a cash cow. The corruption within the organisation and lack of effort to assist in a constructive way has been and is a disgrace. I am ashamed to say that in Croatia they're headed up by an Irishman, but we can't all be blamed for that. From their corruption to the blatant corruption with MPDL (Spanish) they are a major reason why the country is not progressing. Plus, they make sure that releases on their "work", I hate calling it that as it's nothing of the sort, are very politically correct. Like how they are assisting Serbs to return, yet they rarely mention the work they have done with Bosnian or Croat settlers, helping to promote the ridiculous notions that Serbs are favoured in Croatia and feeding into the retarded bile used by extremists, on both sides.
This is a rant of sorts, but it's the truth and borne of experience and numerous dealings with them!
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Post by barba Jere on Apr 9, 2005 13:34:18 GMT 1
irishman? no no I think u r mixing organisations. OSCE Head in Cro is Swede and they have nothing to with MPDL or simmilar NGO work.
Advisory role only with small small projects certainly not infrastructure or donating.
OSCE is not NGO it is org of 55 states
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Post by irac on Apr 9, 2005 14:44:56 GMT 1
barba, OSCE is as big a joke as MPDL, and true they don't donate or assist, nothing new for these interlocutors, but check who's heading the office in Split? You'll find that Ireland have wangled the job for all eternity, and it's almost always a political appointee.
The OSCE have also been doling out advice to smaller "aid" orgs, like teling different udrugas that if they play ball their way they will use channels to increase funding.
Don't kid yourself that they avoid a role in infrastructure, next time you're in the country have a look at how cerain foreign employees banded together to use a Croatian employee to act as agent to buy a village in Northern Dalmatia. OSCE and others of their ilk haven't even begun the work they have been paid to do, but then again, when your staff are selected through daddy's pals, what can you expect. Croatia has become a lovely well-paid holiday camp for well connected folk from elsewhere, and another fabulous vehicle for fund diversion for quick thinking locals (how does it differ from ngo's, certainly not when it comes to morals and ethics?).
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Post by CroatianSerbAbroad on Apr 9, 2005 15:25:59 GMT 1
When is all this corruption going to stop, if its not within the government then its international organisations.
If they only see Croatia as a holiday and a "cash" opportunity, this country will never move forward.
My feeling is that radical change is required at all levels to move this country forward, if not it could take ten times as long as it could.
I get really fed up with this, people need to stop lineing their own pockets and help the country and all the peoples of this unfortunate country to move forward. If they are just going to line their pockets, throw them in the adriatic! This country deserves better!
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Post by irac on Apr 9, 2005 15:40:31 GMT 1
My sentiment exactly Croserb, but you must remember, that there's so many profitting from this, and disgracefully it's not those most in need. The likes of the OSCE and the MPDL, to name but two, are vehicles for people to swan around in big white land rovers, polluting the countryside, that's when they deign it proper to leave their offices, and worst of all, most of the foreigners who come live in the main towns (Zagreb, Split) and never bother to mix with the population to see what's really going on. It'd be Pythonesque funny if it wasn't so sad!
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Post by Ribaric unplugged on Apr 10, 2005 1:51:30 GMT 1
I read the same thing applies to various African aid organisations. Add in the ineffectual UN military "interventions" and the whole internationalist bandwagon looks about as bad as it's possible to get. Depressed
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Post by irac on Apr 10, 2005 7:52:56 GMT 1
now you have it Ribaric, all those peacekeepers sent home from West Africa for engaging in child prostitution, or in Bosnia for working with Croat and Kossovar gangs to smuggle young girls into the west. Okay, you get scum in every walk of life (bad priests, teachers etc) but when they're there to help rebuild or assist it's a disgrace!
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Post by valiant on Apr 10, 2005 21:47:10 GMT 1
i would like job with the O.S.C.E.
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Post by irac on Apr 10, 2005 22:18:40 GMT 1
you're probably too honest and hardworking valiant if you're interested in making the country a better place to live in, just hit the jackpot on the lotto and go to poor places (easy to find) and buy the people groceries or do somethign constructive with it, failing that, well, yeah, a nice well paid cushy number, now why didn't I think of that?
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Post by EMIZ on Apr 10, 2005 22:20:41 GMT 1
Valiant, do you have an eu passport?
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Post by Old Guest on Apr 11, 2005 6:42:28 GMT 1
When is all this corruption going to stop, if its not within the government then its international organisations. If they only see Croatia as a holiday and a "cash" opportunity, this country will never move forward. My feeling is that radical change is required at all levels to move this country forward, if not it could take ten times as long as it could. I get really fed up with this, people need to stop lineing their own pockets and help the country and all the peoples of this unfortunate country to move forward. If they are just going to line their pockets, throw them in the adriatic! This country deserves better! Hmmm ... more and more "sots in transition" on this group ... Not good sight ... Soo peopele, as many of you many times said before - clean your house first - before you rent it, or sell it to someone "ubercivilised". They don't buy dirty houses ... In "ideal world" they will not need to buy anthing at all ... but this is one completly different "sad" story (well, actualy it is not sad at all, hahahaha). ;D
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Post by Old Guest on Apr 11, 2005 6:57:53 GMT 1
My sentiment exactly Croserb, but you must remember, that there's so many profitting from this, and disgracefully it's not those most in need. The likes of the OSCE and the MPDL, to name but two, are vehicles for people to swan around in big white land rovers, polluting the countryside, that's when they deign it proper to leave their offices, and worst of all, most of the foreigners who come live in the main towns (Zagreb, Split) and never bother to mix with the population to see what's really going on. It'd be Pythonesque funny if it wasn't so sad! Well now serious ... I remember very good war times ... In Zagreb there was "appartments market" created by all this "international organizations" paying for everything 3 times bigger prices then any Croatian was able to pay. At that time, I almost finished on street ... couldn't find any "well payed job" because international organizations was hiring only Serbs, or ex. JNA children, sending them latter on "speations in USA" ... So I decided to fight on my own, working 20 hours a day, and getting all education I could possibly get ... and finaly - I bought my own place to live, and stayed alive to be able to live in it. To be regular non nationalistic young educated Croat was worse possition you could find yourself during the war. Both - local nationalistic fascists and international organizations treated you same way - as last on this planet ... And I will never ever in my life forgive them this - both of them. And I bet I am not alone in this world.
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Post by croam on Apr 11, 2005 7:06:01 GMT 1
old guest say more about what you did for work and what you meant by "sots in transition". I'm just curious. I like your posts by the way...I wish you would explain more though. Laku Noc!
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